Re: references Henan and Hakka

["Dylan Sung" <dylanwhs@ukgateway.net>]

Dear Siu Leung,

Thank you for letting me have some references. I am reading through them
currently.

:I just noticed in your references, there is no Chinese citation. Do you have
:access to a good library with Chinese collections? While I try not to play
:down on non-Chinese authors/scholars, as Joseph Needham wrote the best
:encyclopedia on Chinese science and technology better than any Chinese did,
:I would also like to see some references from Chinese literature.
:
:About Zhongzhou and Henan, please see the following websites:
:http://china-window.com/Henan_w/culture/wenwu.htm

This is a general gateway to the site only.

:http://china-window.com/Henan_w/culture/wenw.htm

There is no mention of how Zhongzhou is another name for Hakka on this page.

:http://ccs.ncl.edu.tw/Newsletter_73/73_15.htm

This does in fact have several instances of zhongzhou, but none of them
specifically identifies zhongzhou as another term for Hakka people. The passage
I read is talking about the entering tone in Chinese phonology, under the
heading 4. Jindai Yin or Recent Phonology. The paper is only a review of
published papers on the subject of Mandarin phonology from its title "An
Introduction to Academic Works on Mandarin Chinese Phonology in Taiwan
1994?1998."

:http://www.sinica.edu.tw/~mingching/NEW/inewbook/stl.htm (this one is quite
:interesting)

The passage of interest is as follows

第三章 則強調客家人與非客家人並無分野。作者用閩臺的族譜資料引證,
也以羅香林所使用的族譜材料舉例說明，非客家漢民的祖先是來自河南中州，
認為與其客家人所追尋的祖先來自河南中州，還不如說福建人更為熱衷於追尋
其祖先來自河南更為符合事實。

This states that in Chapter 3, Hakka and non Hakka are indistinguishable. The
author takes Min Taiwanese genealogical records and Luo XiangLin's data and
finds that non Hakkas are just as likely to have come from Zhongzhou, even
though Hakkas maintain that they are the are the real descendents from Henan's
Zhongzhou etc.

:http://olddoc.tmc.edu.tw/chiaushin/shiuleh-1.htm


This page also does not state that Hakka people are necessarily commonly called
Zhongzhou people as was the original assertion in the comments to the slide.

All of this may be confusing, since in your statement 6a, "Henan is called
Zhongzhou (the midland) and Hakkas are often called Zhongzhou people." In no way
do any of these links specifically identifies Hakka people alone as being
Zhongzhou people, and therefore, Zhongzhou is, therefore, not a general term
that one can use call ourselves in the narrow sense, because others can lay
claim to this term on the strength of their own genealogical records.

Cheers,
Dylan.