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Re: Chinese migratory observation
On Tue, 12 May 1998, Charles Louie wrote:
> Dear sllee,
> Long time no hear. How are you? Lau ChunFat (Liu Zinfad) will be coming
> to San Francisco for a conferance, if time permits we may meet. Anyway,
> I was wondering what is your opinion regarding: is the original Xiongnu
> tribe the Red-haired Kitarian people who bridged Buddhism between Tibet
> and Mongolia. Or would you think the Xiongnu tribe are the ancestors of
> the Islamic Turkish Uigars? I'm hypothesizing that the Turkish Uigars
> pushed out the Kitarian people and the Kitarian people may actually had
> fled to the island of Hokkaido, Japan calling themselves Ainu? What do
> you think? I haven't came accross any studies analyzing this subject.
> Charles Louie
I am reading on Korean and Japanese history to make some sense out of this
period (200 BC-200 AD). There is a lot of ethnocentricity from all sides,
including "China" at that time. Because of the name calling (Wo Nu for
Japanese) and so on, it bmight be ok in the Wei dynasty, but was hard for
Japanese to accept the subordinate position when Tang was deteriorating.
I am not sure if Kitanian were red haired. I think Xiongnu might be black
haired Mongolians. That is why the earlier westerners took China to be
Kitan (Cathay) as they could not tell the difference from the face.
The Islamic Urigers I believe came from Persia or even reminiscent of
Alexander's army. I tend to think that the desertization is mostly
manmade. Travelling from west to Xinjiang was not that bad in the early
days. The Silk Road should be a frequent route easier in the old days.
In SanGuoZhi, Sun Quan was described as a green-eyed fellow. He might
have some Caucasian blood already. But it is hard for us to call Sun Quan
a "non-Chinese" by all means. And his territory was in the far eastern
part of China !
I think the Ainu of Hokkaido were indigenous of the area for a long time
before the communication between China(Qin) and Japan. The Jomon
civilization of Japan was indigenous culture later on taken over by Yayoi.
I have strong belief that Yayoi civilization was actually a colonization
of Han people, descendent from Xu Fu.
I find the following site quite interesting:
I have a wild idea that Japanese should be the earliest "Hakka"
assimilated into the indigenous Japanese Jomon culture and transforming
I am trying to write a rebuttal to Jared Diamond's article in Discover
magazine about Japanese root (the most recent issue, May). Although he did
mention China a couple of times, he thinks Japanese culture came from
Korea! I do believe Korea played an important role in the linking of Japan
and China (Hakka culture), but the origin should be mostly Chinese, not
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