RE: HGN: Hakka origin, a biological genetic p

[sllee <sllee@mail.asiawind.com>]

On Thu, 26 Sep 1996 teoh@cs.utk.edu wrote:

> >From alchu@i1.net Wed Sep 25 23:23:40 1996
> From: al chu <alchu@i1.net>
> Subject: RE: HGN: Hakka origin, a biological genetic p
> Yes, basicly I agreed with Mr. Clyde Kiang's that many (not all contents)
> Tsu-p'u are unreliable and many informations are fake.  Last night I read
> about 20-30 Chu's Tsu-p'u in Taiwan.  (Someone collected it and published it
> in 1970s)The reliable parts are recent 200-300 years. The informations
> before that are really blurred and questionable.  I was told by elders some
> families in my hometown were aborigines (Ping-pu tsu) in origin, they also
> have Tsu-p'u traced them to He-nan. They made up their Tsu-p'u because it
> was necessity in order to take examination (Ke-tsu) in Chin dynasty era.

It is true that all historical records are to some extent not accurate. 
Again, I dont' think tracing blood-relationship, family tree isthe only 
way to determine a culture.

> I really don't understanding.  Many Taiwanese aborigines speak same
> lanuguage as people in Phillipin. Are Phillipino also part of Zhonghua
> Minzu?  It may be better to say Taiwan Ming-tsu is different from Zhonghua
> Minzu.  To be honest, so called Zhonghua Mingzu, Han , Taiwan Ming-tsu are
> all political terms.

There are many ethnic groups (zu) in Sichuan, Yunnan and Guangdong. Many of
these ethnic groups also speak very different languages. The Dai tribe speak
a language like Thai. And there are Koreans and Mongolians in Zhonghua Minzu
too. That does not mean that Korea, Thailand, or Mongolia belong to China.
Zhonghua Minzu is an inclusive term, including all 56 of them (Ami,
Gaoshan...too). There are obviously Sichuan culture, Guangdong culture, Hunan
culture, each has its own taste and flavor. However, there is no such thing
as Sichuan Minzu, Guangdong Minzu, Yunnan Minzu.  What is the definition of
Taiwan Minzu? 

I think we need to really look at the history of China, Han, Zhonghua 
Minzu in a long term perspective. If one is looking for independence of 
INDIGENOUS people and try to find an argument, one always fall in 
his/her own trap.  How far back should we go? 

SL Lee
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