HGN: Hakka origin, a biological genetic p (fwd)

[sllee <sllee@mail.asiawind.com>]

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Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 08:50:34 -0400
From: teoh@cs.utk.edu
To: sllee@infinet.com
Subject: HGN: Hakka origin, a biological genetic p 

>From ALBERT-C@wpogate.slu.edu Tue Sep 17 12:14:39 1996
From: Jen-Yih Chu  <ALBERT-C@wpogate.slu.edu>
Subject:  HGN: Hakka origin, a biological genetic p

T'ai ka ho:

HGN only heated up when there were some discussions about the
origin of Hakka, Chinese/Taiwanese or related issues. After
reading the discussion among Dr. Lee, Ekki and Kai-hsu, I have
something to add.  I hate long letter and I try to summarize my
points.

1) Very glad Dr. Lee is willing to discuss the issue on a less
emotional basis and did not accuse others "to call the thief
father", "to justify Taiwan independence and affiliation with
Japan" etc. I hope Ekki also to use less irritated words in
discussion. Respect others will earn the respect from others to
you.

2) There are many different methods to investigate the origin of
Hakka, Hoklo, etc. Phonology (language in general), physical
anthopology, sociology study and recently DNA analysis and HLA
typing are all useful. In an article published in Scientific
America few years (may be 10) ago, someone based on dental
structure came out with the theory that the origin of all
Orientals (Mongolians) including American Indian and Eskimo, and
Polynesians from Malaysia/Indonesia areas. 

3) I read one of original articles (in English) from that
Japanese author, it could not convince me at all his argument
that Hakka is originated from Siong-nu. Read the original article
is more useful than quotation from others. One of the key
research of Lo siang-lin was based on paternal family book
(Tsu-pu). It might not be accurate in many family.  To my
knowledge, many "Tsu-pu" of Chu families called Chu Si their
ancestor regardless they were Hakka, Hoklo or from northern
China.

4) HLA (Human leukocyte antigen) typing is a modern useful
method. Originally used to find the donor for bone marrow (later
also for other) transplantaion.  It can determine how "closeness"
the people are. In a recent survery by Dr. Chen, Shun-sheng,
chairman of neurology of Kaoshiong Medical College, indicates the
HLA typing of Hakka, Hoklo and Taiwanese aborigines is very
similar. The difference between these three groups and northern
Chinese is much more substantial. (This may be one type of the
genetic anyalysis Kaihsu talked about in his letter). Dr. Chen
will be in DC for neuroscience meeting next month. He probably
will talk about his findings in a meeting there.

5) All human originated from Africa. Everyone's root is from
Africa. Please respect every ethinic group. I don't think it is
nice to look down Siong-nu using the statement to ridicule the
Siong-nu decendents could not upring so many famous names like
Han Yu, Wang Yang-ming and Chu Si. ( Were they Hakka? Was Hakka's
name actually existed in those era?) 

Thank you for your attention.          Jen-yih Chu 9/17/96