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 Christian
Author: FM Liew 
Date:   03-22-09 08:53

I wonder.

1. How do Christian manage to stay fervent to a religion that is totally distorted from chapter one of the so called "Book of Truth"?

2. Why did honest Christian propagate deceits?

3. Why do intelligent people continued to be misled by things that are illogical, and absurd?

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 Re: Christian
Author: mr. liao 
Date:   03-25-09 12:41

The issue is one of humility. The Christian is one who is conscious of having sinned and therefore fallen short of the glory of God, and who desires an eternity with his Saviour. He does not trust in the work of his hands, nor does he glory in himself - he does not see himself as any more or less righteous than the other. He reposes in Grace and repentance. He desires a personal relationship with the Divine. He believes that his prayer avails him. He discerns in Christ the wisdom and glory of God. He exhibits a spiritual dependence of sorts, that others would regard as a weakness but that God accounts as a strength. He recognises the divine origins of the motive force that drives the Gospel.

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 Christian
Author: FM Liew 
Date:   03-27-09 13:21

You mean you actually believe all these stuff, after which you claim you have read a lot - a walking encyclopedia - which means you are very knowledgeable and etc..?

Mann you can even pilot a Boeing 747 by just reading books...eh? I believe this are the conception you are trying to put forth.

Did you say "Divine"?

Do you really know "GOD" in person, or reading some stuff written by someone [ who is probably a schizophrenic ]... something like a hearsay thingy - Have it ever crossed your mind?

But you make it sounded so convincing, as if he is someone you known as in person, which you probably cannot ever describe your dad that well.

I wonder have you done any sort of research or studies on the Bible, or make some sort of comparison say.....a fable, fiction, allegory and etc?

This is what I've observe so far; Intelligence don't really matter when comes to beliefs, because the more intelligent a person, the imagination tends to be more convincing and realistic, vis-a-vis lies and deceits of course.

If this is not superstition, then what could it be?

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 Re: Christian
Author: beibei 
Date:   03-28-09 07:50

Jesus Christ is indespensable to Christianity, there can be no Christianity without Him. You cannot talk about Christianity without talking about Jesus Christ. He is the focus, the theme, the centre, the "force" around which everything revolves.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=(Philippians%202:9-11);&version=31;
Therefore God exalted him to the highest place and gave him the name that is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father (Philippians 2:9-11).

Someday this will come to pass, this will be the worship of the entire universe, including those "under the earth" (a reference to believers/non-believers alike, who have already died); whether voluntarily or non-voluntarily, they will unite together in acknowledging the Lordship of Jesus Christ.

!! FM, there is no escape for you, you will be caught up in wonder !!

~ 北北 ~

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 Re: Christian
Author: bobo05 
Date:   10-18-09 20:46

(1) In fact, the Christian religion is not distorted. What proof have you got it is distorted ?

(2) That shows you don't fully understand human beings. Human beings are suffering from Consequence of Original Sin. No humans are perfect.
All humans have a tendency to do bad things, although humans are born good.

(3) What do you mean illogical and absurd ?
It is not. You said so because you do not fully understand it.
There are proofs that it is authentic and reasonable.

Just ask me and I'll show you the evidences.

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 Re: Christian
Author: FM Liew 
Date:   10-19-09 02:03

1. What proof do you have that Christianity is not distorted[ from Jewish account, from Muslim account......]? I've got many proofs that earth is not flat with four corners.., and earth is more than ten thousand years old...:o)

2. Who is talking about perfection here? I'm talking about distortion, deceits, and absurdity...

3. Are you the only Christian who read Bible? What gives you the impression that you understading more than others.

Are you a fanatic?

What other evidences do you need to prove that earth is flat with four corners?

Do you have evidences to prove that earth is created less than ten thousand years?

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 Re: Christian
Author: Zhao Yun 
Date:   10-21-09 15:52

This is completely opposite to what the Buddha said and taught. Buddha was the only person in history who did not claim to be other than a human being, pure and simple. Other so called religious teachers were either god, or his incarnations in different forms, or inspired by him. The Buddha was not only a human being; he claimed no inspiration from any god or external power either. He attributed all his realizations, attainments, and achievements to human endeavor and human INTELLIGENCE. A living person and only a person can become a Buddha. Every person has within him or her the potentiality of becoming a Buddha, if s/he so wills it and endeavors. We can call a Buddha a person par excellence.

A person's position, according to the Buddha, is supreme. He or she is his/her own master, and there is no higher being or power that sits in judgement over his/her destiny.
"One is one's own refuge, who else could be your refuge?" said the Buddha. He taught, encouraged, and stimulated each person to develop himself or herself and to work out his/her emancipation, for a person has the ability to liberate himself or herself from all "bondage" through his/her own personal effort and intelligence. The Buddha said, "You should do your work and be diligent, for the Buddha only teaches the way."

When someone abrogates his own personal responsibility to some higher imaginary power then it simply means he or she no longer takes responsibility for his/her actions! Then everything that that person does is for the glory of God and history has proven time and time again what crimes Christians or Muslims, etc. have committed in the name of God! Crimes are sill being committed to this day in God's name- for God's sake!! ROFL :-)

Be Happy!

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 Re: Christian
Author: Zhao Yun 
Date:   10-21-09 17:45

((This is what I've observe so far; Intelligence don't really matter when comes to beliefs, because the more intelligent a person, the imagination tends to be more convincing and realistic, vis-a-vis lies and deceits of course.))

There is a very clear difference between being "clever" and "intelligence". Unfortunately, the definition of "intelligence" have become corrupted over time. The Oxford dictionary defines "intelligence" as "quickness of understanding". In this context, if a judge takes 3 months of deliberation to deliver his judgement, does that still mean he is intelligent? I have presented an alternative view of what intelligence means in a little discourse separately, see below. This is because I don't want this to detract from what I really want to say.

I have no doubt that Liao is highly intelligent and clever within the conventional definition of the word. However I believe real intelligence means INSTANTANEOUS understanding; in other words where no time is involved in analysis, processing, categorizing, rationalizing, etc. Let me back this up with my own real life experience.

I have been teaching Taiji for 15 years and in 99.9% of cases, intellectuals don't do well in Taiji. When I say intellectuals I mean those coming from professions such as university lecturers, doctors, scientists, lawyers, etc. Why? Because the cornerstones of Taiji are relaxness, and the understanding of yin and yang as one and NOT a duality; neither of which fits in well with their professions. Nothing shows up more clearly than in pushing hands. In pushing hands, perception and awareness (in other words understanding) of an opponent's force must be INSTANTANEOUS. An intellectual find this impossible to do because the nature of their professions coupled with years of conditioning on the job require them to take TIME to analyse, process, and rationalize before they can react; by which time, it is too late!!

Lastly, to quote Laozi, "In acquiring knowledge something is added each day; in acquiring the Dao, something is dropped each day." Hence, conventional intelligence is diametrically opposite to REAL intelligence (in understanding the Dao). Acquiring and applying knowledge takes time whereas understanding the Dao is instantaneous.

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The mind functions only on the plane of duality (yin and yang). Its clarity consists in clearly defining this duality. A clear demarcation of cause and effect is the expression of this dual principle.

Understanding, however, is not of the mind. It represents a non-dual experience. While intellect functions on the plane of duality, it is intelligence which is awakened in the moment of communion, or, what may be called a non-dual experience. The clarity of intellect and the clarity of intelligence belong to two completely different categories of experience. Intellect is concerned with a clear clarification of duality, but in the clarity of intelligence there is a fusion of the perceiver and the perceived. One deals with knowledge by ideation, while the other speaks of knowledge by being. The clarity of the intellect is only structural, it is intelligence that knows the contents of the structure of things. Intellect knows cause and effect as separate, one from the other, but intelligence knows cause-effect as one phenomenon

But the question is- how is intelligence born? J Krishnamurti said, “Understanding is the beginning of intelligence.” Thus intelligence takes its birth in the ground of understanding. A person of understanding is truly an intelligent person. But since understanding is NOT an intellectual comprehension (as discussed above), one may ask what after all, is understanding?

J Krishnamurti posed the questions, “Is understanding either the process of rationalization or slow analysis (involving time)? Can understanding be cultivated as you cultivate your garden to produce fruits or flowers? Surely to understand is to see the truth of something directly, without any barrier of words, prejudices, or motives.”
Thus, according to J Krishnamurti, to see anything directly, without the intervention of words, is understanding. Understanding demands perception without naming. It must be noted that in nameless perception, there is a simultaneous existence of awareness and understanding. There can be no time gap between awareness and understanding. If there is, then what is called understanding is a mere intellectual comprehension.

Be Happy!

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 Re: Flat Earth
Author: bobo05 
Date:   11-11-09 20:40

Ridiculous. Christians in the Middles Ages NEVER believed that the Earth was flat. Is your information so outdated ? That shows you have been DECEIVED but unable to clarify for yourself.

Read this book - "Inventing the Flat Earth: Columbus and Modern Historians", written by Jeffrey Burton Russell.

Review of this book (extract):
"Neither Christopher Columbus nor his contemporaries thought the earth was flat. Yet this curious illusion persists today, firmly established with the help of the media, textbooks, teachers--even noted historians. Inventing the Flat Earth is Russell's attempt to set the record straight. He begins with a discussion of geographical knowledge in the Middle Ages, examining what Columbus and his contemporaries actually did believe, and then moves to a look at how the error was first propagated in the 1820s and 1830s and then "snowballed" to outrageous proportions by the late 19th century."

The best evidence that Christians in the Middle Ages never believed that Earth was flat is the ORB of any Medieval king --- it was always a SPHERE in every orb, NOT a plate or disk. It was a SPHERE, NOT plate !
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Apart from this lie, there are other lies/frauds propagated by anti-religious people, e.g. piltdown man and others.
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Christians don't necessarily have to believe the Earth is less than 10,000 years. It is not important, what's important is that evolution has a probability like having a boeing assembled by whirlwind in a yard with airplane parts (Fred Hoyle).

Even if a castrated man lives up to 10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 years old, if he can't have children, then he can't forever. So even if the Earth is 10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 years old, evolution still won't happen.

(As for the Earth's real age, I believe we still need further investigations)
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The Beauty, Order and Wonderful Designs of the world point to something. What is it then ? Decide for yourself.

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 Re: Flat Earth
Author: SL Lee 
Date:   11-13-09 06:50

Bobo,

You need to learn more biology to make the claim that evolution never happened.

Just look at the domesticated animals - dogs, horses, pigs, cattle, sheep, chicken. They never existed in the current form before domestication.

If they were "created" which form were they created in? the one before domestication or after?

I remember asking this question many months ago.

Even though there is an intelligent design, it does not have anything to do with one religion. Could it be the god of Islam that created everything, or Dao? If Jesus Christ was truly the son of god ,why was he sent so late, 2000 years ago, and not millions of years ago? Why did god allow Islam, Confucius and all the other religions ?

If that was done intelligently, then Islam, Confucianism, Buddhism, Daoism are all created the same intelligent design. To reject any of them is to reject the all capable creator, isn't it?

There are too man questions that one religion claiming the only legitimate one cannot explain. All religions are created by people of limited knowledge and intelligence. While knowing our limit and capability, we are able to continue the pursuit of facts to correct our previous ignorance. That is Humanity.
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SL Lee

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 Re: Flat Earth
Author: SL Lee 
Date:   11-13-09 07:13

>>>> Apart from this lie, there are other lies/frauds propagated by anti-religious people, e.g. piltdown man and others.

Lies/frauds are non-factual, religious or not.
Did you read about Copernicus and Galileo?

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>>>Christians don't necessarily have to believe the Earth is less than 10,000 years. It is not important, what's important is that evolution has a probability like having a boeing assembled by whirlwind in a yard with airplane parts (Fred Hoyle).

"Don't necessarily" ? So, the Bible is not necessarily factual and true?
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>>>>> Even if a castrated man lives up to 10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 years old, if he can't have children, then he can't forever. So even if the Earth is 10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 years old, evolution still won't happen.

See the last post on the question of domesticated animals.
By the way, if god created man/woman in his image, should it be a he or a she? Black or White or Asian?

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>>>>(As for the Earth's real age, I believe we still need further investigations)

So what is your take on the age of the earth? 6000 years, or 6 billion years? If god is all knowing, he should know the answer, why do you need further investigation?

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>>>>> The Beauty, Order and Wonderful Designs of the world point to something. What is it then ? Decide for yourself.

You are equating intelligence = religion = Christianity

Have you heard of inquisition? Watch this and let us know what you think:

http://www.pbs.org/inquisition/ http://www.pbs.org/inquisition/

Did the inquisitor follow god's will? Did they practice Christianity? if not, why not? Do you think they were doing the right thing?

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SL Lee

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 Re: Christian
Author: ittarai 
Date:   11-16-09 20:45

I always thought you people are scared of finding out the truth,
and that you believe in only what you want. I thought you'd be angry
once I tell you the reality.

That's why I always didn't bother to say too much , so as not to make you people unhappy.

I'll continue to SHUT UP, although I have to plenty to say which you don't want to know or hear (I assume), e.g. the solution to contemporary social crisis, what history tells us regarding Christianity, the foundation of Western Science, the origin of university, William Shakespeare's unknown religion, the origin of universe, etc.

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 Re: Christian
Author: Admin 
Date:   11-27-09 09:43

You are welcome to express your ideas here.
The same questions for Bobo also applies to you and everybody else.

http://www.asiawind.com/forums/read.php?f=6&i=6208&t=6127

Speciation is happening everyday, mostly unnoticeable. This is the 200th anniversary of Darwin's birthday. Try to watch the following documentary:

http://space.tv.cctv.com/video/VIDE1259248943908884

http://space.tv.cctv.com/video/VIDE1259248943908884
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 From Jesus to Christ - PBS
Author: SL Lee 
Date:   12-22-09 22:16

From Jesus to Christ

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/religion/

The commentators are university professors in divinity schools.
See how a person is transformed to god, how a religion is transformed into another. God also had evolution?
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SL Lee

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 Re: From Jesus to Christ - PBS
Author: yewtai 
Date:   12-26-09 20:37

To all those millions of poor christian souls (no offence intended) your Sunday weekly gathering charitable donations monies, big or small, have all gone to ENRICH the Vatican or their Christian denominations leaders and you don't even have a say on how your hard earned donation money can be used effectively for the majority poor disenchanted people in the world. The Vatican leaders and other christian denominations leaders are now living the life of luxury due to your kind and foolish heart. :))

It is your choice to chose what to believe, and we all non-believers hope you make the appropriate choice to suit your emotional needs, whims and fancies. :)) However if you get too deeply involved in those GODdamn stuffs, make sure you don't get sucked into their warmongering business like those brainwashed christians are waging war on their number enemies the muslim in Afghanistan. Always have a back up plan.

You are right, intelligent persons also can be get sucked into the god believing business due to thier own loneliness or emotional deprivation such as Olivia Lum the richest woman in South East Asia from Singapore(ex-Kampar, Malaysia).

Olivia was a very rich single woman (50 yo) and have recently become a strong believer of New Creation Church run by a charismatic talking head from Singapore, Pastor Joseph Prince. Me guess as long as Olivia meet a very very good talking head like Prince, he can also convince Olivia to join his organisation. :)) However I am pretty sure Olivia is too smart and will not get sucked too deeply into this god business. She may be doing it as a public relationship to please another bigger @!#$. :))

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 Re: I DIDN'T POST THAT FLAT EARTH MESSAGE
Author: bobo05 
Date:   01-20-10 09:46

1) What? What did you mean ?
I didn't say that! I DIDN'T even post that message myself!

What really happened was -
I left the computer on some time ago and went to sleep,
then my 1 year old baby crawled towards the computer and
when he saw the keyboard, he thought it was something
he could play with.

He hit the keys all night randomly. I also saw my wife
did some selection for the baby's "typing" result. She picked
the meaningful ones and let the baby improve on them.
And that post was the result of his totally random and
purposeless "typing", combined with my wife's selection.

You don't believe it ? Me making stories ?
Come on! What century is this ? Does a forum post or other
kind of writing need a writer ? Or does a software need a
programmer? Or does a Boeing need an engineer?

Not anymore! Science can "prove" that! If such a Well-Designed,
Complex, Law-Governed and Beautiful world could be a result of purposeless evolution without a designer, then small things like forum post, software or Boeing could also be the result of lucky chance and
don't need author/designer at all.
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2) What do you mean I don't believe evolution happened.
I do believe evolution happened. What you said about
domesticated animals was a result of evolution - micro-evolution,
but NOT macro-evolution.

They are different, micro-evolution happened doesn't mean macro happened. But, as Phillip E Johnson said, some evolutionists tried to mislead people into thinking they are the same.

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 Re: I DIDN'T POST THAT FLAT EARTH MESSAGE
Author: Zhao Yun 
Date:   03-03-10 15:55

Why does God give men @!#$? Why did God created pornography and cancer? Oh yes, the devil created all things bad and God created all things good. Meaning - God is not all mighty because IT has no control over the devil!! And God has a sick sense of humour by punishing the good and rewarding the bad. For example, men raping little babies and getting away with it! Just look at all the paedophiles roaming the earth today. And how about the recent earth quake in Chile? I guess God had a hand in it! Is this intelligent design? Only a duff would believe that! The entire history of God according to the bible and the Koran occurs within 40 square miles of the Sinai desert. So only a moron would believe the story of God! ROFL :-)

Be Happy!

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 Re: Christian
Author: ittarai 
Date:   01-13-12 04:16

I am afraid your statements were based on ignorance and lack of up-to-date information.

Science research is more and more confirming the existence of God. The best examples are DNA, fine-tuning of the universe, the irreducible complexity of biological systems (immune system, blood clotting, etc) and so forth.

How is it possible that CHANCE can create a code language in DNA and then create a machinery to read, interpret and execute that coded language (like a computer) ??

The universe is so fine-tuned that if there is a small change in one of the constants, life would not be possible.

Moreover, the Marian apparitions in Lourdes and Fatima are confirming the existence of God. They are not fabrications of the Vatican because the Vatican always , as a policy, do not confirm the authenticity of a miracle or apparition until investigations confirm its authenticity.

Lourdes healing water is also a strong evidence.

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 Re: Christian
Author: KwangErn Liew 
Date:   02-12-12 15:02

This topic has diverted away from the core message of what the Bible is all about. It's not meant to be a scientific book. It's not meant to be historical book nor a geography book. It's just a simple message on Basic Information Before Leaving Earth.

On a side note, the big bang theory may be true, but it never discuss about what initiated it or who initiated it. You can't create something out of nothing.

The flat world thing? What if we misinterpreted the meaning? Let's look into context.

Carbon dating has its flaws. Also, the concept of "time" may be different in our view compared to God's view. Is it even necessary to interpret "time"? It doesn't take away the "Basic Information".

KwangErn Liew

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 Re: Christian
Author: cheok hong chuan 
Date:   02-20-12 17:46

Dear all,

When we see God as a religion or as a means of something called salvation through worldly eyes and most particularly through the ego of self we are caught in the quagmire of worldly conflict.

The correct way is to see the Christian God, if you need to have a God to represent the perceived eternity of a soul, if there is such a thing as a soul, is to see him and yourself as a 'spirit'. But there is one proviso; God has no 'ego' and so your 'spirit' must also not have an 'ego'. For God is not 'proud' and nor should you be 'proud'. Pride is the greatest sin in Christianity.

There is a poem by Rumi that relates to the soul of a good God-loving man knocking at Heaven's door when he died. God asks - "Who is there?" the answer - "It is me, Lord God, your humble faithful obeisant servant." The door slammed shut! After aeons of waiting, he knocked on God's door again. God asked - "Who is there?" The reply this time - "It is you Lord!" The door opened. That is what total submission to God is! You shall have no idol before him! The Fall of Adam, the Original Sin was that he developed an ego after tasting the Tree of Knowledge. God is all-knowing and omniscient. He did not have to ask - "Adam, Adam, where are you?” He was only testing Adam as to whether he had tasted the forbidden fruit. Adam showed he was guilty when he covered his genitals with leaves! He felt shame because he now has an 'ego'. Repentance and salvation is all about reconciling with God; returning back home as the eternal spirit of the Adam before the Original Sin.

Recently I wrote the following to my sisters when they commented that they are already perfect because they are Pentecostal Christians and therefore guaranteed of salvation.
“Nothing is perfect in the human body or mind or this world. Worldly death and mortality is the main imperfection. God is Spirit. Only the eternal spirit son-of-God created by God is perfect. But the eternal perfect spirit-of-God that chose to be separated from God is in sin. Spiritual sin is 'separation from God'. Sin remains when we are still separated, in our eternal spirit. This spiritual sin is redeemed when we return home to God in the eternal spirit. For the eternal Father will always love his eternal son. What this Prodigal Son-of-God of an eternal spirit does in his free-will chosen separate idol alter ego guise of a vagrant wayward human form will get their just harvest in human form. We reap what we sow. For that is what happens in this separate different illusory world of the web of deceit of Satan. In the bliss of Heaven there is no reaping or sowing. We are in the bliss of perpetual rest in the spirit! You can be reposed in the spirit but the monkey mind of a mortal cannot rest, for that is the devil at play; the devil is always mischievously in your mind, tempting, teasing and tormenting you.

Caught in the web of deceit of Satan in this worldly existence, in the monkey devil in your mind, we go up and down Jacob's Ladder [John 1:51]; because we are pulled up and down by two countervailing forces. Our eternal spirit wants to go home to our Father in Heaven but our worldly ego alter ego of son-of-man [aided by the 7 evil spirits ‘impersona’ of the monkey devil (Luke 11:24-26)] pulls us back to further worldly existence. This is all because of Adam’s Original Sin, of the faulty attempt at creation by Adam playing God. That is what is meant by Adam tasting the Tree of Knowledge.

So in eternal spirit we are God's creation. But in worldly form we are the result of Adam's tasting of the Apple. The son of Adam will live and die in this imperfect creation. But the eternal spirit of the Prodigal son-of-God cannot die. It [i.e. our perfect eternal spirit son-of-God] is only living in the darkness that is in the world and the body of the son-of-Adam. Read John 3:6 - "That which is born of the flesh is flesh and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit." Read John 3;19 - "And this is the condemnation, that the light [of the eternal spirit] has come into the world and men [sons-of Adam] loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds [of the son-of-Adam as a man, the sons-of-man] are evil." That is why Jesus said to let your 'light' [of your eternal spirit] shine through; and have no fear [in your eternal spirit] when you walk through the valley [worldly] death [Psalm 23] and in John 8:12 - "I am the light of the world. He [calling to our eternal spirit Prodigal son-of-God] who follows Me shall not walk in darkness but have the [eternal] light of life.” Refer Matthew 10:28 - "Do not fear those who kill your body but cannot kill the soul. But rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell [of worldly existence]”. That is why obeying the Twin Commandments - [1] Love God with all your mind body and soul takes your spirit home to the parental home of the Father [for you have no separate ego of self of having an idol before God] and [2] Love your neighbour as you love yourself gets you off the clutches of Satan [for you have no separate ego of self as against other humans] and the monkey devil in your worldly mind.”

God Bless.

cheok hong chuan
21/2/12

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 Re: Christian
Author: FM Liew 
Date:   06-14-12 13:10

This topic has diverted away from the core message of what the Bible is all about. It's not meant to be a scientific book. It's not meant to be historical book nor a geography book. It's just a simple message on Basic Information Before Leaving Earth.
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Arabian Nights?
Harry Potter...?

There are far better morals in the mentioned books than the Holey Babble?

Leaving earth...where to?

Why must it always be a creator?
Why one and not two?
Ever consider your option is very limited?

Why not nature...why not friction?

Of course carbon dating is not perfect..but it's alot better than flat earth theory...aleast you need not rationalise the meaning....and believe that you are the only person who got it right.

Earth will be a more dangerous place if everyone started to interprete and rationalise everyone's action and words spoken.

Do I sense that you are trying to be funny?

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 Plants began to grow before there was sunlight.
Author: FM Liew 
Date:   06-18-12 20:37

What rationale does a basic intelligence require on such absurdity?

What better word can best describe Christians, dunce, or idiots..

There was light ("night and day") before there was a sun. (Note: If there were no sun, there would be no night or day. Also, light from the newly created heavenly bodies seems to have reached the earth instantaneously though it now takes thousands or millions of years.)

What is going on in the mind of the Christians...or there isn't any brain to begin with.
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Genesis 1:12-16
King James Version (KJV)
12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.

14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:

15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.

16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.

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