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 Re: "Does God exists" debate
Author: beibei 
Date:   02-22-09 18:38

A learned man knows that to understand a quote without knowing the context, is disservice to learning. It is important to grasp the background and context in which it is written. So, randomly yanking a quote and attempting to decipher it, can only be done by someone who likes to imagine that he is learned.

FM, Because you blindly yank biblical passages at random, for unlearned criticism, it has escaped you that you had quoted [Zechariah 14], but I had misread and responded to it as [Jeremiah 14]. It appears, you are not sure of what you write.

(Zechariah 14: 1-2) Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee. For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city. http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Zechariah14%20;&version=9;

Did you understand it as (i) an instruction or (2) a prediction of a future happenings?
FM, you act on the strength of verses which you wrestled out of context, and is inappropriately using it as a club. This is not an instruction on how to live, but, rather it speaks of judgement. Here the prophet Zechariah describes in detail how the city of Jerusalem will again be taken captive and the people will be driven from it.

The day of the LORD/the wrath of God/Judgement, is as I have mentioned before, when "God gave them over unto themselves, to do as they please." Man is left unrestrained, and unrestrained man becomes animal like. God never compels, and human evil is allowed to run the full course of their iniquity, with devastating consequences. The natural consequences of evil is the temporal judgement of God. Evil brings its own results, and whatever a man sows that he will reap.

(Revelation 22:11-13) He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still. And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

This is the outline/mould into which human history has been poured. God's method is to allow sinful humanity to run its course until all that is hidden underneath, the evil pretensions of the human heart, are brought out and revealed in the conduct of men toward one another. When history reaches its lowest ebb, when the sin of man breaks forth in its most vulgar and most evil forms, when the character of evil becomes evident to all, then God will intervene once again.

This means that God permits man to work out his problems, and to find the solutions he desires, until man realizes that he has no capacity to work these problems out on his own. There is no way that it can be done. It is only as he relates to the God who made him, and who understands him, and welcomes again the intervention of God into his life, that any kind of human problem can be worked out. I believe in the truth of these passages, and I believe God intends to fulfill them exactly as described.

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