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 Death and Life After Death
Author: Joy Living 
Date:   11-27-06 15:29





Hello Friends,


Serendipitously, while I was engaged in other pursuits, I came across 3 source materials on the subject of death and life after death. I will list them here and say some brief words about each of the three. source materials. There is more material out there of course, such as Deepak Chopra's , LIFE AFTER DEATH: THE BURDEN OF PROOF.

I have not read it so I only list the ones I have read.

Readers who have read other materials may wish to contribute their sources in this thread for the benefit of other people. I am pretty sure that if one starts to look, one will discover more and more literature on this subject. What I have presented here may be a jumping off point for the contribution of information and wisdom of Forumites or for their private rumination.


Is there life after death, and if so, what is it like in the spirit world after we die? Do we have bodies? Do we live in houses? Are there trees and flowers? Do we float? Do we see loved ones? Are husband and wife separated according to their performance on earth, or do they stay together? Does deathbed confession wipe out evil deeds a person commits during his life? What is the difference between religion and spirituality and how is that measured in the spirit world?


Those who have a personal interest may like to check out this introductory material, no one can know it all. This thread is not an attempt to convince anyone of any position. As always, I'm of the view that Forumites innately and freely arrive at their own evaluation of information presented. I will not be arguing to convince anyone about the information presented.


Since I communicated in 2002 through a medium with my benevolent biological father 19 years after he died (1906-1983) , and discovered the evolution of his mindset between the time he was alive to my first serendipitous contact in 2002 and then 2005, and am presently in spiritual alliance with him, my personal bias can be plainly stated upfront I am plainly a believer in life after death and its continuing evolution after death.

I am aware of the progression in my father's spiritual evolution after he died. I am aware of the increased depth and subtlety of his understanding - while retaining his sense of humor which was a hallmark of his personality on earth, to which there are still living witnesses today. The authenticity of who he is was as a spirit being was established by details of our earthly relationship. It was mutually agreed in August 2002 that I will be reunited with him when I cross over. This is natural to many family situations, however this was articulated in my case. He asked if I desired him to wait for me. I said, yes.

Of course, final proof of whether these three authors mentioned below are accurate or not will only be determined when we ourselves make the inevitable transition. In all the information presented from my readings, there is nothing to fear.

I daresay, in the due course of natural time, we - you-plural and I - may even visit each other in the spirit world just as we have visited each other here on the Forum in cyberspace - lol. Think nothing of it !

Of course travel, locomotion or navigation in the spirit world is different from the earth-world. Just think * - and you are there in spirit-form ! Rapid transit in the spirit world - economical, efficient, no pollution :-) - simply think of the desired destination without maps, car keys or bus -plane-train schedules or travel time, without traffic jams.. The travel and transportation industry, I imagine, is non existent in the spirit world. lol. Nor is there concern about fuel supplies and energy shortage.

Although I have only met two Forumites in real life and seen photos of several others, I am sure I would recognize you in the spirit world from your normal thought and speech patterns from having seen them expressed in text on my computer monitor.

For those who have been unjustly wronged in earth life, it is stated that
" the law of cause and effect, the spiritual reaping that succeeds the earthly sowing; shows that to escape moral justice upon the earth-plane is to find strict and unrelenting justice in the spirit world....Every bad action must be accounted for by the one who commits it ". [ Chapter VI. Some Questions Answered: LIFE IN THE WORLD UNSEEN ] We are later told that it is not so much that bad people are punished by God but that they punish themselves.

Therefore if you have suffered injustice, fear not that the injustice done in the earth world is not seen in the spirit world. It was and is seen. Thse who were unjust will experience the cold, bleak effects of the injustice they wrought until they have sensibility of the wrongs they did. In this they will be given encouragement and help to see their wrongs. There is hope for every soul to progress but their wrongs will not be wiped out automatically as if the offences never occurred. Fear not those of you who were oppressed without justice and perhaps without witnesses. Those wrongs are known in the spirit world.

The description of the dark realms also concur, in tone, with my personal experience of darkness during my present earth life of a former period.

There is also mirthfullness and laughter in the spirit world.

The whole subject of life after death, to paraphrase Deepak Chopra M.D., is that birth and death are but parentheses in the continuum of life.

As for myself this preview of the spirit world, my future home, has provided greater groundedness for me in my earth world. The vast unknown is no longer a total question mark for me. I can turn my attention to earth duties with a different focus. I have been shown a template of my experience: past, present and future - the dark world, a current pleasant peaceful earth world and the future spirit world. And it is A.O.K. !

Due to other demands, I will not be extensively engaged in discussing these materials, but I may pop in here and there.

It has been some time since I posted a live weblink on this Forum. If I discover the links below are not live, I will repeat this post, hopefully with live links. If I am unsuccessful a second time, perhaps somebody will jump in to assist.

Regards,

SIGNED:

~ A fellow traveller Here And There
.... JOY .....(1947 -......... )...........

__________________________________________________________


1. EMBRACING DEATH by Angela Browne-Miller PhD. 1996

A slim volume of 133 pages, this book describes the physcal body in stages of shutting down during the death process . There are also 3 deaths ..

* Physical death of the body.
* Astral death - the death of the emotional vehicle
* Dissipation of mental energy which should be done consciously.

She discusses how to navigate these three deaths. I am not trained in this, so an interested reader should obtain her book and study it further.

The author says that it is our responsibility to stay conscious during this process as we go through it. "Conscious dying is your right and responsibility." p.16. "Be conscious of your choice...Make certain it is indeed YOUR choice. Do not linger in indecision. Let the body die as soon as possible if you are leaving it. Do not unwitingly leave your 'empty' but still living physical body open to inhabitation by an essence other than your own." p.18.

She also describes travel between different dimensions while still in this earthly life and discusses non-physical death, such as giving up addictive patterns in our lives. With every cycle of giving up an old pattern, there is transcendence.

Angela Browne-Miller, is a contemporary psychotherapist. She holds two PhDs from U of California and also teaches there in several departments. On page 133 she acknowledges the people who have contributed to her material. These include her biological parents who were each transparent to her about their death process and who have communicated with her from the spirit world.

A resume of Angela Browne-Miller is provided below:

http://www.bizspirit.com/spkrfullbio/science/spkr_browne_miller_angela.html

I was unable to find an online version of Browne-Miller's book, whereas I was able to find an online version of the two other publications mentioned below and have provided links to them.


2 LIFE IN A WORLD UNSEEN by Anthony Borgia, 1958, a medium who chanelled the thoughts of Mgsr. Robert Hugh Benson 1871-1914,

Hugh Benson was a Catholic priest whose father had been the Anglican Archbishop of Canterbury. Hugh Benson was appointed Monsignor by Pope Pius X. During his lifetime, Benson was the author of many books and made a name for himself. Benson was also friends with Anthony Borgia, the medium, for 5 years before Benson's death which was preceeded by a short illness. Anthony Borgia, Benson's medium, provided a preface to the recorded text of his former friend Benson from the spirit world.

So far, I have been unable to locate the DOB-DOD, date of birth and date of death or any biographical information about Anthony Borgia or in what manner the recordings took place and were transcribed. I do see that a hardback copy of the book is dated 1958, but I wonder if it was not earlier than that. Benson died in 1914, which is 44 years previous to 1958 the date of publication to said book, LIFE IN A WORLD UNSEEN.

Benson particularly wanted to communicate to people on earth because he wished to set straight some mistakes he had written while he lived on the earth plane.

Benson also expressed the view that what the church provides about the true life of the spirit is very narrow and limited and that what he knew on the earth plane was very limited and distorted and, in fact, he as a priest of the church presented distorted information unwittingly. Religious creeds, dogmas, doctrines melt away in the spirit world. Yet, people do practice their 'former religion' in the spirit world if they so choose. Bigotry and prejudices are carried over exactly as people held them when they died. Whether they evolve or not in the spirit world is up to them.

A link to the book, LIFE IN A WORD UNSEEN, may be found below:
http://anthony3741.tripod.com/

Benson's account is similar to the TEACHINGS OF ZARETH , mentioned below in this post, in that Benson described different planes of existence not just one in the spirit world and that when we go there our assignment to a plane is in accordance to how we lived in earth-school. Benson also says that death-bed repentances are of no avail. This is the same information conveyed in the Teachings of Zareth. Both books also refer to "SUMMERLAND ".

Summerland is the bright , beautiful sphere of the spirit world. There are other spheres not bright, nor beautiful.

Descriptions of life in the spirit world in this book are detailed which is similar to the Teachings of Zareth which is also detailed.

LIFE IN THE WORLD UNSEEN , by Anthony Borgia channelling for Hugh Benson, is divided into two parts. Each part contains several chapters.

a) Beyond This Life (10 chapters )
b) The World Unseen (15 chapters )


Anthony Borgia is the author of several other books in this vein.

Again there is no heavy seriousness in the tone of this book.
It's tone is conversational, anecdotal.


3. TEACHINGS OF ZARETH. 1976- 1981, is sourced by an ancient Persian spirit, with many past lives on earth, who communicated 38 teachings through a woman in Vancouver BC, Canada at public gatherings between 1976-1981.

Zareth has lived many lives on earth and has lived a long time in the spirit world. He was also a contemporary of the person whom the world calls Jesus Christ, but whom Zareth calls 'the Nazarene.'

These ZARETH monologues, are conveniently available in transcribed text online at http://www.angelfire.com/ok/ZarethsGraphics/TCon.html

They convey realistic word pictures in a conversational tone about the earth-school and the spirit world. This book and the one listed above, LIFE IN A WORLD UNSEEN often express a sense of humor about life in both places, a sense of humor about who we are. The resounding and always concluding message is that the Father is love and that we are loved. However, the teachings discuss many topics. My comments below touch on only a few of the topics.

When we die and cross over into the spirit world, we still have ourselves to deal with. “It is not an instant heaven where all is solved, and all will be wiped away.” "Whatsoever a man soweth,that shall he reap." The opportunity for spiritual growth is limitless. It continues after we die. There is also nothing to fear there. There is great beauty.

Whatever lessons we did not learn in this life on earth-school, we are given the opportunity to learn them after we die. It is a do it yourself process. We are shown the way, but only we can change our minds and accept greater consciousness, greater awareness as it is patiently shown to us in the spirit world by spirit teachers. We too have the opportunity to become teachers in a live of service in due course depending on our progressive consciousness over time.


A deathbed confession or contrition does not necessarily wipe away all the wrongs a person has done on this earth. When such person crosses over, they have to sincerely understand their wrongs before they can move on to a different ‘plane’ –meaning gradually closer towards greater light.


Yes. There are planes of existence in the spirit world. One’s state of mind and behavior in earthy life decides what plane we are assigned to in the after life. However, as we become more and more conscious, we can make progress and ‘move forward’, within the spirit world.


An evil person will have to learn lessons that he did not learn on earth. If he chooses not to learn those lessons, he will remain ‘stuck’ at the plane he entered in. If he chooses to learn lessons, he will make progress. So does any priest, bishop, archbishop or pope, king, queen, emperor, potentate or any human being.. It does not matter what our earthly position/title was. What matters is if we understood how to treat others with kindness, understanding, compassion, love, humility, patience, tolerance.


The bottom line is this - we cannot get away from who we are after we die. Anything we still have left to learn will still remain to be learned. We are stuck with ourselves!


Multitudes of bad people on earth die and when they cross over, their mind-set still remains the same mind-set during their time on earth. It is still a problem for other beings in the spirit world. Teachers of the spirit world then patiently communicate with these people from time to time, hoping to effect a change in attitude.


The 38 teachings, listed in ascending order, are provided below. These texts vary from 10-17 pages in length with single line-space typed text. Each separate teaching is not a quick read, but neither is it a complex read - at least half hour to one hour may be required to read one teaching.

May I suggest to those who may be so inclined, to read at leisure in different time segments, not in a hurry. There may be more then 38 teachings, I do not know. I only know there are 38 teachings currently listed on the website but Teaching No. 1 is currently NOT available.



Teaching #38 - "Tasks"


Teaching #37 - "Essence"


Teaching #36 - "Creating In The Spirit World"


Teaching #35 - "Fear"


Teaching #34- "You are Spirit"


Teaching #33 - "More About the Area of Self-Realization"


Teaching #32 - "Christmas and the Nazarene"


Teaching #31 - "Guardians"


Teaching #30 - "Accepting The Truths"


Teaching #29 - "What Is Truly You?"


Teaching #28 - "About Spirit Teachers"


Teaching #27 - "The Soul"


Teaching #26 - "Brotherhood & Subtleness of Growth"


Teaching #25 - "People Differences"


Teaching #24 - "Spiritual Growth"


Teaching #23 - "Life's Struggles"


Teaching #22 - "Pride"


Teaching #21 - "Colour"


Teaching #20 - "The Area of Supreme Endeavour"


Teaching #19 - "The Summerland and the Area of Self-Realization"


Teaching #18 - "Challenges of Life"


Teaching #17 - "The Transition Between Life and Death"


Teaching #16 - "The World Today"


Teaching #15 - "When a Loved One Goes to a Higher Level"


Teaching #14 - "Explanation of Thoughts and Actions"


Teaching #13 - "Why is it that Life is so Hazardous?"


Teaching #12 - "The Lower Levels in the Spirit World"


Teaching #11 - "Life in the Spirit World"


Teaching #10 - "About the Bible"


Teaching #9 - "The Ways of Mankind"


Teaching #8 - "Vision and the Delivery"


Teaching #7 - "The Gift of Being Psychic"


Teaching #6 - "The Earthly Life of Both Zareth and the Nazarene"


Teaching #5 - "Do Spirit Beings Who Are Aware Strive Strong or
Do They Procrastinate?"


Teaching #4 - "The Subject of Prayer"


Teaching #3 - "Zareth's Friend Jarus Speaks of his Experiences"


Teaching #2 - "Work in the Spirit World with Answers to Questions
Posed to Zareth"


Teaching #1 - Currently Not Available

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A cheery good day to All from a winter wonderland in Nanaimo, BC, Nov 27, 2006. Three inches of snow !

END

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 Re: Death and Life After Death
Author: SL Lee 
Date:   11-27-06 23:37

Joyce,

Thanks for this interesting post.

I believe in some explanation for everything. I have a long time hypothesis that human learned experience may be transmittable through some kind of genetic material that can be retrieved in the next generation or even down several generations.

A 13-year old composer genius “Blue jay,” Jay Greenberg started to doodle musical notes and cello when he was two. He can compose an entire symphony in hours without editing. His parents are not known to be talented musicians.

http://www.fromthetop.org/Programs/Performers.cfm?pid=1586

He was on 60-Minutes.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jay_Greenberg

Deja vu, imagination, communication with dead relatives, intuition, sixth sense, are all related capabilities that are waiting to have some scientific explanation. We are still quite primitive in knowing our own capabilities. In a similar way, many animals are more sensitive to smell, low frequency vibration, light, etc. that allow them to have behaviors we are not capable.

There will be an explanation for these phenomena.
--------------

SL Lee

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 Re: Death and Life After Death
Author: chume 
Date:   11-28-06 13:52

You might want to read books by Raymond Moody, Brian L. Weiss, and Melvin Moore.

http://www.near-death.com/experiences/experts03.html

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 Re: Death and Life After Death
Author: chume 
Date:   11-28-06 14:05

I misspelled one of the names. It should be Melvin Morse.

http://www.melvinmorse.com/light.htm

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 Re: Death and Life After Death
Author: Indonesifrey 
Date:   11-28-06 18:17

What to happen to those infants whose demise occur within a few days after being born? Or even stillborn? How would they evolutionize in the spirit world?

Is this spirit world within our seen, yet unseen, Universe? Or beyond in another Universe? Or beyond all Universes?

Is the spirit world in tandem with our present living world? i.e. is it around us now but unseen?

Does it have anything to do with those unseen 'dark matter' in our cosmos whom the cosmologist are debating about lately?

Nonetheless, it's kind of comforting to feel that we can still live on maybe intact as an individual aware of self, the past, relation, experience.

But, alas, how utterly tedious it will be to realise that that blasted, annoying P... person, individual, will still be around, maybe forever, to worry me continuously, maybe forever, after this life.

Fdback'llbrejec

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 Re: Death and Life After Death
Author: Indonesifrey 
Date:   11-28-06 18:30

And what about ignorance? Whose fault is it for individuals to be ignorant? How will they realise that they are being ignoramus in the first place?

How fairness will be achieved at all if their ignorance is not of their own making, or other's fault, but due to circumstances, yet nevertheless through their ignorance they cause disastrous misery, devastation, sufferings, deaths to others?

What if they do want to know/learn if given the chance? And act differently?

Of course there are those who prefer to chose deliberately to stay ignorant, not wanting to learn at all. To concentrate on own daily life, their own cause, believing that theirs are their sole life's responsibilities.

What to happen to them after this life?

Fdback'llbrejec

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 Response, comments, other sources
Author: Joy Living 
Date:   01-14-07 10:37



I should make it clear that although there is an active and vivid afterlife, I do not diminish the very real bereavement, grief and longing for the presence, companionship and affection of a departed loved one. These few reference materials among many about the afterlife may provide some comfort that our departed loved ones are well and alive. This does not mean we do not miss them dearly from the earth plane.

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RESPONSE

* I read about 'bluejay', Jay Greenberg, age 13. Jay Greenberg has composed 5 symphonies. I listened to his " 9/11 Symphony".


* I visited the link of Dr. Melvin Morse. I had previously heard of the work of Dr. Brian Weiss. Dr. Morse's work is mentioned in Victor Zammit's book (bottom of this post)


* Info on child deaths in the spirit world at this link.
http://anthony3741.tripod.com/lifeintheworldunseen/id23.html


* Info on where the spirit world is located at this link.
http://anthony3741.tripod.com/lifeintheworldunseen/id18.html



OTHER COMMENTS & SOURCES

* There is no continued suffering from past abusers / manipulators when we transition.

* An abusive parent or formerly abusive person-spirit will not be sent to greet a transitioning soul. Everything about the process of reception and transition after the death experience is gentle and comforting. A person would only be met by sympathetic beings, friends or family members.


* The woman Zareth refers to as 'maiden', was his medium, a woman who resided in Vancouver BC, Canada. She made her transition in 1981. .


* SILVER BIRCH teachings are here: http://www.angelfire.com/ok/SilverBirch/Tcon.html

Silver Birch did not consider himself infallible, he considered himself still a human, still on the path of learning. He encouraged his audience to question and reason and contribute their own experience to knowledge and wisdom. He did not consider his word final. Silver Birch was-is a 3000 yr old being.


*Suicides - THE SPIRITS' BOOK by Allan Kardec (1804-1869),
http://www.spiritwritings.com/kardecspiritsbook4chapt1.html


* THE SPIRITS' BOOK - There are four books within this single book known as "THE SPIRITS' BOOK' by ALLEN KARDEC, (1804-1869), a pen name for a former French educator who chronicled what was communicated through several mediums. The book is a codification of moral issues, a series of numbered Q & A., questions and answers. There are are total of 1,019 questions. St. Augustine, St. Paul, Plato and others make various comments in this book.
< http://www.spiritwritings.com/kardecspiritstoc.html>



* A LAWYER PRESENTS THE CASE FOR THE AFTERLIFE" 2006, by Victor J. Zammit
http://www.victorzammit.com/book/4thedition/index.html

The fact is that scientists who, during their lifetime, investigated life after death issues have themselves, after transitioning, contacted earth-life and identified themselves. Therefore on both sides of the divide, communication has been attempted and has occurred. There is a corresponding and equal desire on both sides to connect. This communication has been conducted by several scientists while alive to the world of spirit and after their death, from the world of spirit. This has been done by voice, fax and images, various instruments and apparatus . Other scientists, a Nobel winner physicist Brian Josephson, stockbroker Arthur Findley, inventor-designer-manufacturer George Meek were named as confirming psychic phenomena & life after death. Zammit's book provides sources for related bibliography.


*CHINA'S super psychics (bottom of page).
http://www.victorzammit.com/book/4thedition/chapter18.html

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 Cosmic citizens, the Urantia book
Author: Joy Living 
Date:   01-14-07 10:44



Thousands of years and millions of human beings came before us. Thousands of years and millions of human beings will come after us. Is there any coherence or 'Diety of final value' , 'some concept of the survival of personality identity after death?' Is there an adventure of 'divinity attainment'?


'COSMIC CITIZENS ' is a term used by American Paul Snider in a 1999 address in Canada about a book called URANTIA Paul Snider used the term 'cosmic citizens' in the title of his address. He says on page 3 , '...we are entry level participants in an immense enterprise. Folks this is the way the universe works. It's time you knew it. These are the facts of universe reality. Start getting used to it." Then he says, Page 5, "Keep things in proportion. Stay balanced." He cautions against an 'exaggerated religious ego" p.5, a phrase taken from the Urantia Book.

http://www.urantia.org/newsinfo/PaulSnider.pdf


For anyone interested in investigating the source book and motivation for Paul Snider's comments, I have provided my own blurbs and descriptions with online links below. I have not read the entire book which I bought in 1984. I have read parts of the book including Part IV which is the section on the Life of Jesus. Below follows an assortment of my own blurbs and internet links to serve a potential variety of interests.


URANTIA - is a four part book, containing a total of 196 separate papers, in 2097 pages, developed over 20 years, written by different celestial authors, first published in 1955 as one book called URANTIA. Links to the online book are provided in this post. The book describes the administration and cosmic history of immense universes including our universe, called Nebadon, which contains our planet Earth called Urantia. The information is extensive... It includes papers on Adam and Eve and the Garden of Eden roughly 40,000 years ago... how they came to be there...There are many universes and many different names of the different universes....Havona, Orvonton, Salvington, Nebadon, Satania system, Uversa to name a few....The book contains new and unfamiliar terminologies..'midwayers', 'Thought Adjusters'., "Contact Personalities',' 'monrontia'....In Parts I - III each paper's celestial author is identified at the end of the paper, either by name or the title of celestial function. In Part IV, Life of Jesus, the authorship is by a celestial being a 'secondary midwayer', formerly assigned to the Apostle Andrew. All papers in Part IV were under this specific ' secondary midwayer' being who was sponsored by a group of twelve under a celestial director.


AN INTRODUCTION TO THE URANTIA BOOK by Harry McMullan III
http://urantiabook.org/archive/readers/whyibel.htm

COMPLETE Urantia text:
http://www.urantia.org/bookonline.html

ABRIDGED Urantia text: by Dr. Meredith Sprunger
< http://urantiabook.org/studies/sprunger_synopsis/index_synopsis.html>

ANOTHER ABRIDGED VERSION of The Urantia Book by Michelle Klimesh is called THE STORY OF EVERYTHING.

PART I http://urantiabook.org/studies/SOE/SOE_index_I.htm
PART II http://urantiabook.org/studies/SOE/SOE_index_II.htm
PART III http://urantiabook.org/studies/SOE/SOE_index_III.htm
PART IV < http://urantiabook.org/studies/SOE/SOE_index_IV.htm>


HOW THE URANTIA MOVEMENT STARTED by Dr. William S. Sandler.
http://www.urantia.org/pub/ahotum.html
Around 1922, Dr William S. and Dr. Lena K. Sandler of Chicago, husband and wife, hosted an informal Sunday afternoon discussion group, composed of the doctors' former patients. The group later evolved into a forum for questions which became the basis of the Urantia papers. When the group first formed, they had no knowledge of Urantia and no intention for such an investigation. The original intention for forming the group was to talk about health topics since they were both doctors. The last meeting of the forum was on May 31, 1942.



HOW THE URANTIA BOOK CAME INTO EXISTENCE
http://urantiabook.org/archive/history/wssjr1.htm
A transcript of a 1962 tape recording of William Sandler, Jr, son of the two physicians, Dr William S. and Dr. Lena K. Sandler of Chicago, who started an informal Sunday afternoon discussion group to talk about health or general topics..


LIFE OF JESUS, d.o.b. noon August 21, 7 BC - d.o.d. before 3pm Friday, April 7, AD 30.
http://www.urantia.org/papers/paper120.html

Part IV of the URANTIA book, contains a detailed description in 77 separate papers , 770 pages, on the Life of Jesus on Urantia, from Christ's ( he is called Michael in the cosmos ) celestial bestowal on earth before the time of angel Gabriel's visit to his mother Mary, to his 19 appearances in the post resurrection period and his ascencion. Specific dates - day, month, year and times in a day are also provided throughout this biography. It describes Jesus' childhood, death of his father Joseph when Jesus was 14, how he reliably assumed head of household responsibilities at age 14, became father-brother to his 7 siblings , remained in this role until his next brother in age, James, could assume this family responsibility... ... later the estrangement of his earth family excepting his baby sister Ruth the 8th child who was born after his father died ..Jesus' secret travel as a personal guide and interpreter of a father and his teenage son, both Indian, to the Mediterranean basin and to Rome and Naples over a 2 year period before the start of his public ministry....Confucius and Bhudda lived before Jesus and Jesus knew about them...when Jesus launched his public ministry his earth family did not come to see them off and Jesus wept....the mind sets of the 12 apostles and their organizational responsbilities during their 4 years with Jesus... ....the disciplies of John The Baptist....the women corps appointed by Jesus who spread his teachings...the equality of women.. the Greek believers and disciples in Alexandria.....which occurences were real miracles and which were not miracles...the message courier system of runners who conveyed information between diverse locations of believers....banking, money, finance in that period ....Jesus drove 100 bullocks from the temple and released all the imprisoned certified livestock on sale for sacrifice at the temple, such a bold move stirred the other pilgrims in the temple to overturn the tables of the money changers; in five minutes this commercial practice was toppled .... the source of the donkey on which he rode into Jerusalem, the source of the Upper Room for the Last Supper...the Last Supper on Thursday evening ...the arrest by soldiers in Gethsemane just before midnight on the same moonlit Thursday night....the dashed hopes of Judas Iscariot who thought he would be venerated for delivering Jesus to the authorities but Judas was despised by all, despised even by the Roman soldiers...by the next day Friday (Good Friday) at 3pm, in a rapid sequence of events, Jesus had been arrested, 'tried', crucified and was dead. This description of the intense drama titled LIFE OF JESUS contains many vivid details not in the New Testament.


SIDEBAR: Please understand I am not promoting Christianity over any kind of religious view. If others know of revelatory communications about Bhudda, Mohammed, Confucius & others....... do post them . .

URANTIA is a periscope into a vast and complex cosmos over eons of time. It is not limited to the 'life after death' system after this Earth existence only. The book which is about our planet, about our universe which is in a constellation of a superuniverse and a grand universe , also described the Life Of Jesus . If there were no questions put forward to the celestial beings, there were no answers."At the end of each paper was a note suggesting the next title on which questions should be asked" ..."We would read a Paper on a Sunday afternoon and the following Sunday the new questions would be presented. Again, these would be sorted, classified, etc. This process continued several years and ultimately resulted in the presentation of the 196 Papers as now found in The Urantia Book.".... "Of all the Urantia Revelation the Jesus Papers were the biggest surprise" said Dr. William S. Sandler, the author of these quotes.


MAPS of Jesus' itineraries described in the Urantia book:
http://www.urantia.org/pub/ihs/IHS-index.htm

PHOTOS of contemporary landscapes and places described in the Life of Jesus
< http://urantiabook.org/archive/j_arc/index_photos.html>


STUDY GROUPS in NORTH AMERICA
http://urantiabook.org/study_groups/domestic_study_groups.htm


FOR STUDY GROUPS OUTSIDE NORTH AMERICA, PLEASE CONTACT
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 Classification of souls
Author: Joy Living 
Date:   01-14-07 10:48



This classification of the progressive development of souls is an excerpt from Book 2 of 4, Chapter 1 of 'THE SPIRITS' BOOK' by Allan Kardec 1804-1869.

Kardec was a French educator who was instructed to publish these revelations under the pseudonym of ALLAN KARDEC. He was a chronicler of his conversations with spirit through mediums, but he himself was not a medium.

There are 3 main groups of souls: low, middle, high.

* Third Order-Imperfect Spirits
* Second Order-Good Spirits
* First Order-Pure Spirits.


Most people belong to the middle group, the Second Order-Good Spirits.
Within these 3 main categories, there are further sub-categories.
Those who may like to read the entire chapter may visit the link below.

http://www.spiritwritings.com/kardecspiritsbook2chapt1.html

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EXCERPT

"The higher spirits generally admit the existence of three principal categories, or main divisions, among the people of the other world. In the lowest of these, at the bottom of the ladder, are the imperfect spirits who are characterized by the predominance of the instincts of materiality over the moral nature, and by the propensity to evil. Those of the second degree are characterized by the predominance of the moral nature over the material instincts, and by the desire of good. They constitute the category of good spirits. The first or highest category consists of those who have reached the state of pure spirits, and have thus attained to the supreme degree of perfection imaginable by us.

This division of spirits into three well-marked categories appears to us to be perfectly rational; and, having arrived at this general classification, it only remained for us to bring out, through a sufficient number of subdivisions, the principal shades of the three great spirit-categories thus established. And this we have done with the aid of the spirits themselves, whose friendly instructions have never failed us in the carrying out of the work upon which we have been led to enter.

With the aid of the following table it will be easy for us to determine the rank and degree of superiority or inferiority of the spirits with whom we may enter into communication, and, consequently, the degree of esteem and confidence to which they are entitled. The power of determining these points may be said to constitute the key to spiritist investigation; for it alone, by enlightening us in regard to the intellectual and moral inequalities of spirits, can explain the anomalies presented by spirit-communications. We have, however, to remark that spirits do not, in all cases, belong exclusively to such and such a class. Their progress in knowledge and purity being only accomplished gradually, and often, for a time, more in the one than in the other, they may unite the characteristics of several subdivisions; a point which is easily settled by observing their language and their acts.

THIRD ORDER-IMPERFECT SPIRITS
101. General Characteristics.--Predominant influence of matter over spirit. Propensity to evil. Ignorance, pride, selfishness, and all the evil passions which result from these.

They have the intuition of the existence of God, but they have no comprehension of Him.

They are not all of them thoroughly bad; in many of them there is more of frivolity, want of reasoning power, and love of mischief, than of downright wickedness. Some of them do neither good nor evil; but the very fact that they do no good denotes their inferiority. Others, on the contrary, take pleasure in evil, and are gratified when they find an opportunity of doing wrong.

Among spirits of this order, a certain amount of intelligence is often allied with malice and the love of mischief; but, whatever may be their intellectual development, their ideas are wanting in elevation, and their sentiments are more or less abject.

Their knowledge of the things of the spirit-world is narrow, and the little they know about them is confused with the ideas and prejudices of the corporeal life. They can give only false and incomplete notions of the spirit-world; but the attentive observer may always find in their communications, however imperfect, the confirmation of the great truths proclaimed by spirits of the higher orders.

Their character is revealed by their language. Every spirit who, in his communications, betrays an evil intention, may be ranged in the third order; consequently every evil thought suggested to our mind comes to us from a spirit of that order.

They see the happiness enjoyed by good spirits, and this sight causes them perpetual torment; for they experience all the agonies produced by envy and jealousy.

They preserve the remembrance and the perception of the sufferings of corporeal life; and this impression is often more painful than the reality. They suffer, in fact, both from the ills they have themselves endured, and from those which they have caused to be endured by others. And as these sufferings endure for a very long time, they believe themselves to be destined to suffer forever. God, for their punishment, wills that they should believe this.

They may be subdivided into five principal classes:--

102. Tenth Class--Impure Spirits.--They are inclined to evil, and make it the object oŁ all their thoughts and activities. As spirits, they give to men perfidious counsels, stir up discord and distrust, and assume every sort of mask in order the more effectually to deceive. They beset those whose character is weak enough to lead them to yield to their suggestions, and whom they thus draw aside from the path of progress, rejoicing when they are to retard their advancement by causing them to succumb under the appointed trials of the corporeal life Spirits of this class may be recognized by their language, for the employment of coarse or trivial expressions by spirits, as by men, is always an indication of moral, if not of intellectual, inferiority. Their communications show the baseness of their inclinations; and though they may try to impose upon us by speaking with an appearance of reason and propriety, they are unable to keep up that false appearance, and end by betraying their real quality.

Certain nations have made of them infernal deities; others designate them by the name of demons, evil genie evil spirits.

The human beings in whom they are incarnated are addicted to all the vices engendered by vile and degrading passions-sensuality, cruelty, roguery, hypocrisy, cupidity, avarice. They do evil for its own sake, without any definite motive; and, from hatred to all that is good, they generally choose their victims from among honest and worthy people. They are the pests of humanity, to whatever rank of society they belong; and the varnish of a civilized education is ineffectual to cure or to hide their degrading defects.

103. Ninth Class--Frivolous Spirits.--They are ignorant, mischievous, unreasonable, and addicted to mockery. They meddle with everything, and reply to every question without paying any attention to truth. They delight in causing petty annoyances, in raising false hopes of petty joys, in misleading people by mystifications and trickery. The spirits vulgarly called hobgoblins, will-o'-the-wisps, gnomes, etc., belong to this class. They are under the orders of spirits of a higher category, who make use of them as we do of servants.

In their communications with men their language is often witty and facetious, but shallow. They are quick to seize the oddities and absurdities of men and things, on which they comment with sarcastic sharpness. If they borrow distinguished names, as they are fond of doing, it is rather for the fun of the thing than from any intention to deceive by so doing.

104. Eighth Class--Spirits who Pretend to more Science than they Possess.--Their knowledge is often considerable, but they imagine themselves to know a good deal more than they know in reality. Having made a certain amount of progress from various points of view, their language has an air of gravity that may easily give a false impression as to their capacities and enlightenment; but their ideas are generally nothing more than the reflection of the prejudices and false reasoning of their terrestrial life. Their statements contain a mixture of truths and absurdities, in the midst of which traces of presumption, pride, jealousy, and obstinacy, from which they have not yet freed themselves, are abundantly perceptible.

105. Seventh Class--Neutral Spirits.--They are not sufficiently advanced to take an active part in doing good, nor are they bad enough to be active in doing wrong. They incline sometimes to the one, sometimes to the other; and do not rise above the ordinary level of humanity, either in point of morality or of intelligence. They are strongly attached to the things of this world, whose gross satisfactions they regret.

106. Sixth Class--Noisy and Boisterous Spirits.--Spirits of this kind do not, strictly speaking, form a distinct class in virtue of their personal qualities; they may belong to all the classes of the third order. They often manifest their presence by the production of phenomena perceptible by the senses, such as raps, the movement and abnormal displacing of solid bodies, the agitation of the air, etc. They appear to be, more than any other class of spirits, attached to matter; they seem to be the principal agents in determining the vicissitudes of the elements of the globe, and to act upon the air, water, fire, and the various bodies in the entrails of the earth. Whenever these phenomena present a character of intention and intelligence, it is impossible to attribute them to a mere fortuitous and physical cause. All spirits are able to produce physical phenomena; but spirits of elevated degree usually leave them to those of a lower order, more apt for action upon matter than for the things of intelligence, and, when they judge it to be useful to produce physical manifestations, employ spirits of subaltern degree as their auxiliaries.

SECOND ORDER-GOOD SPIRITS
107. General Characteristics.--Predominance of spirit over matter; desire of excellence. Their qualities and their power for good are proportionate to the degree at which they have arrived. Some of them possess scientific knowledge, others have acquired wisdom and charity; the more advanced among them combine knowledge with moral excellence. Not being yet completely dematerialized, they preserve the traces of their corporeal existence, more or less strongly marked, according to their rank-traces which are seen either in their mode of expressing themselves, in their habits, or even, in some cases, in the characteristic eccentricities and hobbies still retained by them. But for these weaknesses and imperfections they would be able to pass into the category of spirits of the first order.

They have acquired the comprehension of the idea of God and of infinity, and already share the felicity of the higher spheres. They find their happiness both in the accomplishment of good and in the prevention of evil. The affection by which they are united affords them ineffable delight, troubled neither by envy, remorse nor any other of the evil passions which make the torment of spirits of lower degree; but they have still to undergo the discipline of trial until they have completed the work of their purification.

As spirits, they infuse good and noble thoughts into the minds of men, turn them from the path of evil, protect those whose course of life renders them worthy of their aid, and neutralize by their suggestions, the influence of lower spirits on the minds of those who do not willingly yield to the evil counsels of the latter.

The human beings in whom they are incarnated are upright and benevolent; they are actuated neither by pride, selfishness, nor ambition; they feel neither hatred, rancor, envy, nor jealousy, and do good for its own sake.

To this order belong the spirits commonly designated in the popular beliefs by the names of good genie protecting genie, good spirits. In periods of ignorance and superstition, men have regarded them as beneficent divinities. They may be divided into four principal groups:-

108. Fifth Class--Benevolent Spirits.--Their dominant quality is kindness. They take pleasure in rendering service to men and in protecting them, but their knowledge is somewhat narrow. They have progressed in morality rather than in intelligence.

109. Fourth Class--Learned Spirits.--They are specially distinguished by the extent of their knowledge. They are less interested in moral questions than in scientific investigation, for which they have a greater aptitude; but their scientific studies are always prosecuted with a view to practical utility, and they are entirely free from the base passions common to spirits of the lower degrees of advancement.

110. Third Class--Wise Spirits.--The most elevated moral qualities form their distinctive characteristics. Without having arrived at the possession of unlimited knowledge, they have reached a development of intellectual capacity that enables them to judge correctly of men and of things.

111. Second Class--High Spirits.--They unite, in a very high degree, scientific knowledge, wisdom, and goodness. Their language, inspired only by the purest benevolence, is always noble and elevated, often sublime. Their superiority renders them more apt than any others to impart to us just and true ideas in relation to the incorporeal world, within the limits of the knowledge permitted to mankind. They willingly enter into communication with those who seek for truth in simplicity and sincerity, and who are sufficiently freed from the bonds of materiality to be capable of understanding it; but they turn from those whose inquiries are prompted only by curiosity, or who are drawn away from the path of rectitude by the attractions of materiality.

When, under exceptional circumstances, they incarnate themselves in this earth, it is always for the accomplishment of a mission of progress; and they thus show us the highest type of perfection to which we can aspire in the present world.

FIRST ORDER-PURE SPIRITS
112. General Characteristics.--The influence of matter null; a superiority, both intellectual and moral, so absolute as to constitute what, in comparison with the spirits of all the other orders, may be termed perfection.

113. First and only Class.--They have passed up through every degree of the scale of progress, and have freed themselves from all the impurities of materiality. Having attained the sum of perfection of which created beings are susceptible, they have no longer to undergo either trials or expiations. Being no longer subject to reincarnation in perishable bodies, they enter on the life of eternity in the immediate presence of God. They are in the enjoyment of a beatitude which is unalterable, because they are no longer subject to the wants or vicissitudes of material life; but this beatitude is not the monotonous idleness of perpetual contemplation. They are the messengers and ministers of God, the executors of His orders in the maintenance of universal harmony. They exercise a sovereign command over all spirits inferior to themselves, aid them in accomplishing the work of their purification, and assign to each of them a mission proportioned to the progress already made by them. To assist men in their distresses, to excite them to the love of good or to the expiation of the faults which keep them back on the road to the supreme felicity, are for them congenial occupations. They are sometimes spoken of as angels, archangels, or seraphim.

They can, when they choose to do so, enter into communication with men; but presumptuous indeed would he be who should pretend to have them at his orders. "

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 Re: Death and Life After Death
Author: parallaxe 
Date:   01-15-07 06:57

Life experiences that are easily proven to be transmitted from one life to another are most often of the survival type. <= it is one of the methods of evolution.
I would think that Genetics probably have something to do with it, maybe as a programable physical carrier or, maybe as something else such as a recieving device for energy or radio? frequencies.

Personaly I've had a few out of body experiences at different times in my life - mainly when meditating - I've been able to tell a few friends what they were doing - as well as was seen walking in the mountains about two years from when I left. I was homesick and would dream of being back home. My friends that saw me told me different stories except that all sightings were after 10 PM which was the time I would practice meditation.

Currently I am studying a form of meditation that allows me to remain very focused (not like sleep) during long periods of meditation as I am fairly certain that we can pick our next life. I mastered this form of meditation when I was 18 years old but as a few unexpected things happened, I quit practicing it untill I could learn more about the details. This focused meditation was also where I learned to controll my leaving my body.

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 Re: Death and Life After Death
Author: Hopeful 
Date:   01-15-07 20:53

Isn't the term for it "astral travel" and I will not be surprised that you have develope psychic abilities if you have been practising meditation for so long. If you learned how how to bring your "spirit" back into your body consistently, then the fear may subside.

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 Can the answer be so simple as to be hidden in a drop of Water?
Author: parallaxe 
Date:   01-16-07 07:00

How to keep a drop of water from drying up forever?
Answer is at the bottom of this post.













































Throw it into the Ocean.

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 Re: Can the answer be so simple as to be hidden in a drop of Water?
Author: chume 
Date:   01-16-07 16:13

Has anyone read the book Embraced by the Light by Betty Eadie?

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 Re: Death and Life After Death
Author: parallaxe 
Date:   01-17-07 14:17

Author Hopeful wrote:
"Isn't the term for it "astral travel"",,"I will not be surprised that you have develope psychic abilities if you have been practising meditation for so long."
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Astral Travel is one term, "Out of Body Experiences (often abbr. O.B.E,)" is another, also some even call it "Lucid Dreaming" but I don't think it is like deraming. Although - the training also helps a person to remember dreams.
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Psychic abilities - maybe - but I think of it more as being 'centered' and/or 'balanced' so that we are more able to know how we feel about something. From meditation, I've experienced my being in touch with my feelings is the key to intuitively knowing the Way.

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 Re: Death and Life After Death
Author: ittarai 
Date:   01-17-07 20:53

I believe it's fake.

There is certainly after-life, but it is NOT as the medium has mentioned.
Therefore, I believe it's fake. I believe the message was not from Msgr. Benson.

If you want to be a good person, you have to do it in this life.

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 Genetic Memory as Proof of Reincarnation
Author: parallaxe 
Date:   01-18-07 04:38

Genetic Memory as Proof of Reincarnation
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Our brain is like the hardware of a computer with memory, an organic hard drive for accessing and processing the memory and even a biological power supply. From understanding this concept it can be seen that we have an -essence-, which is the sum total of all of our genetic memory, that works like an operating platform much like Windows 98 or Netscape, etc. and from this foundation we process knowledge, memories and new information.

To a large extent this is what makes Chinese science, or Tao, different from western science, at least in the past it did. The Chinese long ago acknowledged that things improve with use and time. Thus becoming more evolved from a simple beginning to one more adapted to the specific conditions required for its existence is the way of learning according to the Chinese. It just took Charles Darwin to bring us up to the Chinese level of understanding of how things evolve.

After Darwin's concepts were accepted, western science could prove that life evolved from single cell organisms. Single cell organisms do not have hearts, lungs, eyes, muscles, etc. So, as we humans evolved these new features, we had to learn to both develop these organically and to pass the memory of how to use these new features on down to the next generations. This was the foundation of our genetic memory of which none of us can live without. Survival information seems to make the largest footprint on our genetic memory.

Through this evolution of an organic genetic memory, mental functions have developed. Tropistic behavior patterns such as blinking when something comes quickly close to our eyes, the jerk reflex from feeling strong pain, the swimming reflex (who teaches babies and dogs to swim?) and more directly to the point, psychological behavior patterns in individuals, many of which are typical only to families, that transcend generations from grand parents to parents to children which are found in separated twins and can be seen manifesting itself in opposite patterns with mirror twins.

This in itself can be seen as being physically Re-incarnate indicative. It is our organic mental beginnings, which includes the "programmed by evolution" -essence- from which all mental learning is built upon.

So, how does this "Organic Essence" work? As deducted in the above; Essence is the sum total of our genetic memories plus anything that has impressed upon our own psyche the importance to remember for our gene pool's future generations: our essence is our survival information that has been passed down from our mono-cellular state. From this we can see that our essence works much like a computer's operating platform processing new knowledge as we use it in life. It would seem to be that there is here a connection between essence and reincarnation on an organic level. Thus organic Immortality through rebirth of organic memory.

To make a long story short, to see your next life, look into the eyes of your children. To see your past lives, talk to your ancestors. Remember, the purpose of all is to evolve, to improve on each generation.

Gon Hei Fat Choi
Current year is Year 4704 by the Chinese calendar.
The new year is the year of DingHai.
Year of the Pig... McDull Reigns !
A free Chinese Lunar Calender For your Computer. http://www.lunarcal.org

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 Something's Fishy...
Author: Danny 
Date:   03-20-07 23:16

Some Claims from "Anthony Borgia" conflict with the Claims by "Betty J. Eady".

In her Book 'Embraced by the Light' she clearly mentions the Existence of Satan!

She also mentions of the Existence of the Garden of Eden + Adam & Eve!

Anthony Borgia, claims neither Satan, nor Adam & Eve ever existed, that they were NOT created Instantly, however, Millions of Years of Evolution took place instead!

Someone is Fishy here, one or the other is Lying, it seems, there are defiantly Contradictions in these claims!

Yep, it would surely be nice, if Satan & Fallen Angles and such, was purely Nonsense and are invented Fables!

If you out there, know the Truth and nothing but the whole Truth on this, plz do not hesitate to clear up these Disturbing Contradictions!

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 Re: Something's Fishy...
Author: Joy Living 
Date:   03-21-07 00:29


Danny,

I don't believe Anthony Borgia knew everything there is to know when he conveyed his information to his human scribe. He knew much more than he did in his earth life, but his eternal life is a progression also (as is ours).

I haven't read Betty J. Eady's book, but my personal belief system says there is a Satan. I have some more reading to do on this subject

As for Adam and Eve, according to THE URANTIA BOOK, there was a Garden of Eden and Adam and Eve appeared on earth 40,000 years ago.

The URANTIA BOOK is mentioned elsewhere on this thread. In scope and detail it describes a cosmic adminstration that is beyond imagination.

To each his own. Let the truth evolve as we are ready to receive it.


Joy

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 Re: Death and Life After Death
Author: Tom Bombadil 
Date:   03-23-07 06:13


Hello Joy. Have you changed your email address?

Regards
Tom

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 Re: Death and Life After Death
Author: Joy Living 
Date:   03-23-07 14:44


Hi Tom,

My principal email for some years has been and remains:

joyliving@aol.com

I almost never go to the email listed on Asiawind Forum, which happened only because about 2 yrs ago I had to re-enter new login information to get into the Forum..

Joy

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 Re: Death and Life After Death
Author: Xie_Ming 
Date:   03-23-07 19:19

1) Life after death is just as you wish it to be.

2) Su_Fah is convinced that thought waves and such persist for eternity.

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So much to lear

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 Re: Death and Life After Death
Author: ittarai 
Date:   07-15-07 05:17

Church probes new Lourdes cure


An almost totally paralysed 60-year-old Italian woman has been instantly cured of her illness in Lourdes in the past week.

"I am overjoyed, most happy, Our Lady of Lourdes has cured me," said Giulia Mongelli Tofani, who prior to her visit was almost completely helpless and had to be spoon fed by her family.

"When I came to Lourdes I was full of anguish, now I feel like a cricket," she said. "I can walk up and down. I climb the stairs, I go up and down now and never stop. I laugh and joke."

Giulia is convinced a miracle has occurred and top Vatican official Cardinal Camillo Ruini, vicar-general of Rome Diocese who led her party to Lourdes, backed this view when he publicly thanked God and the Virgin Mary for "the gift received by Giulia" on the final evening of her visit.

The woman had been a bartender in Rome for 35 years before contracting a rare viral infection that left her totally paralysed some years ago. As news of Giulia's recovery spread among excited pilgrims, her parish priest Don Canio then accompanied her to the medical bureau at Lourdes, where she was subjected to a three hour examination. The bureau are currently studying her case.

Though Guilia and her friends are convinced as to what has taken place, it is commonly accepted that the Church is very slow to recognise miracles, even at Lourdes. Of the millions of pilgrims who have visited Lourdes in the last 145 years, only around 7000 cases of alleged cures have been examined in depth, and of these just 66 have been officially recognised by the Church as miracles.

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