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 Your Chinese Surname - TOO LONG - No new postings please
Author: CHUNG Yoon-Ngan 
Date:   09-23-03 21:36

Dear Friends,

Your Chinese surname
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同姓不翻 =Tong xing bu fan
The offspring by the couple sharing the surname are not very intelligent.

A Chinese believe
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In September 2000 I published a book called "The Origin of Chinese Surnames". It is prefaced by our Administrator Professor Dr. SL Lee. {Sorry, I have been told by my publisher not to give away my works freely. You have to find out the history of your surname from the book. 29072004]

Do you know the origin of your surname?

Every ethnic Chinese in the world inherits a family surname. As long as we possess Chinese surnames we cannot extricate ourselves from Chinese culture. Our roots are very long and old. They are complicated, intertwined and sometime entangled too. It will be interesting to know a bit about them and find out how, when and where they began.

Every surname has a history behind it. There are more than five thousand Chinese surnames and this book "The Origin of Chinese Surnames" contains the most common 550 of them.

The surname is very important to a Chinese because it is through surname that he can find out to which clan he was originated. When two Chinese first meet, and after the salutaion, one of them will sure ask the surname of the other. If they share the same surname they will be very happy and regard themselves as kinsmen.

The bond of kinship ties is so strong that even today, traditionally, people with the same surname are forbidden to intermarry as they are supposed to have come from the same ancestor. It is considered mildly incestuous for a couple sharing the same surname to get marry.

Legend has it that Chinese surnames originated from Huang Di (黃帝) or The Yellow Emperor, who had twenty five sons. Yellow Emperor's surname was Gong Sun (公孫) and his name Xuan Yuan (軒轅), but later he changed his surname to Ji (姬), the name of the river where he grew up. Yellow Emperor established fourteen settlements in different regions of the land of what we now call China. He appointed 14 of his capable sons to rule the 14 settlements. The 14 new feudal lords took on twelve new surnames after the geographical locations which were given by their father. This tradition of adopting the name of a location as surname persisted. It is estimated that 60 per cent of the surnames were named after some geographical locality. Other surnames originated by adopting the names of the ancestors, official positions or the titles.

In ancient time it was not unusual for people to change their surnames to avoid political persecution. In many an occasion the Emperor bestowed his own surname to his loyal officials and generals who then changed their surnames to that of the Emperor. They were proud of sharing the same surname with the Emperor. On the other hand many ordinary citizens who shared their surnames with the name of the Emperors, were forced to change to other surnames because the Emperors did not want their names to be used as surnames by their subjects.

During the Zhou Dynasty (周朝 1134BC to 256BC) and before the Spring and Autumn Period (春秋時代 722BC to 481BC) there were only 72 surnames. These 72 surnames were doubled during the era of Han Dynasty ( 漢朝 206BC to 220AD). They were increased to 193 during the Tang Dynasty (唐朝 618AD to 907AD). 438 surnames were recorded during the Song Dynasty (宋朝 960AD to 1279AD). According to the historical documents there were 3736 surnames during the Yuan Dynasty ( 元朝 1271AD to 1368AD). The literary records of the Ming Dynasty ( 明朝 1368AD to 1644AD) showed a total of 4657 surnames in the land of what we now call China. Nowadays there are more than 5,000 Chinese surname throughout the world.

An excerpt from my book, in English
"The Origin of (550) Chinese Surnames
華人姓氏的來源“

CHUNG Yoon-Ngan (鄭永元)
All rights reserved 24092003

Yoon-Ngan

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 Re: Your Chinese Surname
Author: Gordon Lock (---.cpe.net.cable.roger)
Date:   10-29-03 11:49

Hi Chung Xiansheng,

Please let me know the origin of my chinese surname - Zhu (in Pinyin).

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 Re: Your Chinese Surname
Author: Gordon Lock (---.cpe.net.cable.roger)
Date:   10-29-03 11:49

Hi Chung Xiansheng,

Please let me know the origin of my chinese surname - Zhu (in Pinyin).

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 Chinese Surname ZHU
Author: CHUNG Yoon-Ngan 
Date:   10-29-03 18:04


Surname Zhu (朱)
(Please read carefully. It might be hard to understand.
If you don't follow and have questions on ZHU query me,
as the story is very long and a bit confused).

Zhu means: red; scarlet.
The surname Zhu is about 2,300 years old.

The surname Zhu originated in an area referred to during the Han Dynasty (漢朝 206BC to 220AD) as the Pei prefecture (沛郡). The present day location of Pei prefecture is in Xiao county (蕭縣 116.9 degree East and 34.2 degree North, on the world map) of Jiangsu province (江蘇省).

A descendant of Huang Di (黃帝) or the Yellow Emperor, the legendary leader of the united clans before the formation of kingdoms, by the name of Cao Jia (曹 挾), was one of the many people who had helped Ji Fa (姬發), the leader of the Zhou Clan (周族), to destroy the Shang Dynasty (商朝1783BC to 1122BC). Ji Fa established the Zhou Dynasty (周朝 1134BC to 256BC). Ji Fa was known as Zhou King Wu (周武王) and he rewarded Cao Jia the hereditary title of Zi (子爵) or Viscount. Zhou King Wu also gave him with authority to rule a district called Zhu (邾 present day Zou 陬 village in the southeast of Qu Fu county 曲阜縣) in Shandong province (山東省). District Zhu was renamed the State of Zhu (邾國) which was nicknamed Xiao Zhu (小邾) or little Zhu through out the history.

In the beginning of the Spring and Autumn Period (春秋時間 722BC to 481BC), in 718BC, the ruler of Zhu formed an alliance with the State of Zheng (鄭國 present day Xin Zheng 新鄭 city in Henan province 河南省). Together they invaded the State of Song (宋國 present day Shang Qiu county 商丘縣 in Henan province). The combined forces were defeated by the Song forces.

Other than this incursion the people of Zhu lived peacefully and happily. However, 230 years later in 487BC Cao Yi (曹益) became the leader of Zhu. He was a wicked and cruel ruler. In order to punish Cao Yi the neighbouring State of Lu (魯國 present day Qu Fu county 曲阜縣 in Shandong province 山東省) invaded Zhu and captured Cao Yi who was imprisoned in Lu for one year.

While Cao Yi was in captivity Zhu was leaderless. The ruler of another neighbouring the State of Wu (吳國 present day Wu Xian 吳縣 in Jiangsu province 江蘇省) installed Cao Ge (曹革), the son of Cao Yi, as the new ruler of Zhu.

The following year Cao Yi was released. As soon as he returned home he dismissed his son as the ruler of Zhu. He proclaimed that he was the ruler again. He did not repent but continued to be wicked and cruel. He believed that the State of Wu was backing him in whatever he was embarking. However, the State of Wu could not tolerate his bad behaviour and invaded Zhu and captured him. He was imprisoned for the second time. His son Cao Ge became the ruler of Zhu the second time.

In 473BC when the State of Wu was conquered and annexed by the State of Yue (越國 present day Zhu Ji county 諸暨縣 in Zhejiang province 浙江省) Cao Yi was released by Si Gou Jian (姒勾踐), the ruler of Yue. Cao Yi returned home and expelled his son Cao Ge the second time and became the ruler of Zhu, the third time.

Again Cao Yi did not repent but continued to behaviour badly. He was as wicked and cruel as before. The ruler of Yue could not tolerate him and imprisoned him for life. The ruler of Yue installed his other son, Cao He (曹和) as the new ruler of Zhu. Cao He changed the name of his State from the State of Zhu to the State of Zou (鄒國) since Zhu and Zou had the same pronunciation in Yue dialect.

During the period of Warring States (戰國時代 453BC to 221BC) in 372BC Mencius was born in the State of Zou. Mencius was a great philosopher and an ardant champion of Confucianism.

In 310BC State of Zou was conquered and annexed by the State of Chu (楚國 present day Jiang Ling county 江陵縣 in Hubei province 湖北省). Some of the royal
members of Zou adopted Zou (鄒) as their surname. However, one of the children of the last ruler of the State of Zou fled south and founded a new State in 311BC. He named his new domain as the State of Zhu (邾國), the original name of the old State before it was changed to Zou. Thus he revived the State of Zhu.

In 281BC, the State of Chu conquered and annexed the new State of Zhu which disappered into the mists of history for good. The children of the last ruler of Zhu adopted ZHU (朱), not Zhu (邾), the name of their state, as their surname.

Parethenetically, this Zhu is written without the radical "big ear" on the right. They argued that since they had lost their State, their surname Zhu should be without the radical big ear on the right. ("Big ear" is equivalent to the radical Yi (邑) which means town or city or place.)

The couplet for surname Zhu is:

紫陽門第﹐=Zi Yang men di,
沛國家聲。=Pei Guo jia sheng

(Note: Zi Yang refers to the title of Zhu Xi 朱熹。
Pei Guo is the place of the origin of surname ZHU)

Famous historical people produced by the Zhu clan include:

(1) 朱元璋 (Zhu Yuan Zhang 1328AD to 1398AD)

Zhu Yuan Zhang was born into a very poor farming family in Hao Zhou (濠州) of Jiangsu province (江蘇省), during the Yuan Dynasty (元朝 1206AD to 1368AD). When he was a boy he studied for a few months in the village private school. As his family was so poor that his father, Zhu Wu Si (朱五四), had to stop him from going to school. Zhu Yuan Zhang became a shepherd boy looking after the neighbour's cows.

In 1344AD his parents and elder brother all died of epidemic diseases when he was seventeen yeras old. He had no means and land to bury them. Luckily, Liu Ji Zu (劉繼祖), his neighbour gave him a piece of land to bury them. As he had no relatives
to go to he became a monk in a temple called Huang Jiao (皇覺).

During the years between 1348AD to 1353AD, many groups of people organized throughout the country for the sole purpose of fostering against the Mongols - Yuan Dynasty. There was an armed band called the Red Turban, so called from the head-dress adopted by its members. Red Turban was controlled by Guo Zi xing
(郭子興). Later Zhu Yuan Zhang joined the Red Turban.

As Zhu Yuan Zhang was tall, brave, smart and intelligence Guo Zi Xing appointed him a leader of a squad. As he excelled in battles Guo Zi Xing adored him and wanted Zhu Yuan Zhang to be near him at all times to give him advice. Red Turban had grown into a large army. Eventually, Zhu Yuan Zhang married Guo Zi Xing's adopted daughter Ma Shi (馬士).

In the third month of 1355AD Guo Zi Xing died of illness. Zhu Yuan Zhang becanme the leader of the Red Turban Army. Zhu Yuan Zhang destroyed the Yuan Dynasty and in 1368AD he founded the Ming Dynasty (明朝 1368AD to 1644AD). He installed himself as Emperor Tai Zu (太祖) and established his capital in YingTian Fu (應天府 present day Nanjing city 南京市 in Zhejiang province 浙江省).

一統江山明社稷=Yi tong jiang shan Ming she ji
The land is unified as the country of Ming.

(2) 朱德 (Zhu De 1886AD to 1976AD)

太行浩氣傳千古﹔猛士如雲唱大風

Written by Zhu De (朱德)

Zhu De, the commander-in-chief of the Chinese Red Army, the present day People Liberation Army (PLA), was born in 1886 into a poor Hakka farmer family in Yi Xian (義縣) of Sichuan province (四川省). He studied the Chinese classic for six years in his home village school. He was a primary school teacher before he enrolled in the Military College of Yunnan province (雲南講武堂). After his graduation he joined the army under the command of Cai E (蔡鍔) who appointed him a Lieutenant. Zhu De took part in the revolution against the Qing Government (清朝). He rose to the rank of Colonel when the Republic of China was established. After the death of Cai E he became the commander of the police force in the province of Yunnan.

In 1921 Zhu De went to study Social Science in Germany. In Germany he
met Zhou En Lai (周恩來), Deng Xiao Ping (鄧小平) and many others who
later became the leaders in the Chinese Communist Party.

He returned to China and joined the army and its commander was Zhang Fa Kui
(張發奎). He took part in the Nanchang Uprising (南昌起義) on the First of August
1927. After the collapse of the uprising Zhu De led his forces and retreated to Swatow (汕頭 Shantou) in Guangdong province (廣東省). Later, they were driven out of Swatow and they withdrew to the provinces of Jiangxi (江西省) and then to Hunan (湖南省).

On September 8, 1927 Mao Ze-Dong (毛澤東) led a group of peasants and staged an uprising called the Autumn Harvest Uprising (秋收暴動) in Hunan province (湖南省). The following month Mao Ze-Dong congregated the remnants of the uprising of about 800 men and 80 rifles. They climbed the Jing Gang Shan (井崗山) with the goal of establishing a revolutionary base in these mountains.

In April 1928 Zhu De (朱德), leading the remnant of his force of about 2,000 men, arrived in Jing Gang Shan and joined forces with Mao Ze-Dong. Together, there were about 4,000 of them in the region that could hardly support such a large force.

In January 1929 Mao Ze Dong and Zhu De shifted their base to the region between the provinces of Jiangxi and Fujian (福建省) where there were many Hakka villages. A Chinese Soviet Republic was established on 7 November, 1931. Rui Jin (瑞金), south of Jiangxi province, was the capital of the Soviet Republic. The Chairman of the Soviet Republic was Mao Ze-Dong (毛澤東). The Vice Chairmen were Xiang Ying (項英) and Zhang Guo Tao (張國濤). The commander-in-chief of the Red Army was Zhu De (朱德).

On October 16, 1934 the Red Army of about 100,000 began the Long March. The Red Army chose to march through the Hakka villages because they knew the Hakkas would help them. Along the trek they passed through many Hakka villages where the villagers tried their best to help the Red Army and many young Hakkas joined the ranks of the Red Army. The Long Marchers trekked through 11 provinces and walked for 6,000 miles before they arrived in Shaanxi province (陜西省) in the North.

After much fighting and marching for five months the Red Army arrived at a town called Lu Ding (瀘定) in Sichuan province. The Red Army had to cross the Lu Ding bridge that was spanned by 13 iron chains. 200 feet below the bridge was the Da Du River (大渡河).

It was here in 1864, that the heroic Hakka Taiping army (客家太平軍), under the command of Shi Da Kai (石達開), was massacred by the Qing Government (清朝) troops. People said that at night one could occasionally hear the souls of the dead Hakka Taiping soldiers wailing and lamenting their fate.

Zhu De, the commander of the Red Army, retold his comrades the stories which the Old Weaver used to tell him in his childhood about the Taipng Army of Shi Da Kai.
"Yes," the Old Weaver used to say, "our army perished at the Da Du River. Shi Da Kai's troops died by the thousands at the Da Du River, and some in the river because they were starving and preferred death in the river to surrender to the Manchus. They had no food and they ate all the horses and mules......The Manchus........bribed the savage Lolos [an ethnic group of Chinese] and armed them with foreign guns to attack the Taiping Army from the rear and cut off the food supply.......They built defences along the Da Du River and Shi Da Kai could not cross, for we Taipings had only bows and arrows...Shi Da Kai's soldiers....made rafts, and 5,000 boarded them and held their leather shields before them and their spears in their hands....But the foreign cannon blazed, the rafts were destroyed, and the Da Du River was clogged with the bodies of the dead." [Agnes Smedley's THE GREAT ROAD].

The Old Weaver would close his story with the words:
"On dark nights, when there is no moon, you can still hear the spirits of our Taiping dead wailing at the Da Du River crossing and over the town where they were slaughtered. They will wail until they are avenged. Then their spirits will rest."

Shi Da Kai surrendered and suffered a gruesome death.

All the planks on the bridge had been removed by the Nationalist troops before the Red Army arrived. The Red Army men swung from the chains under fire to cross and capture the bridge from the Nationalist troops who fled for their lives after seeing the heroic actions of the Red Army. Eventually the Red Army crossed the Lu Ding bridge and did not suffer the same fate as the Taiping Army. The Red Army completed the Long March on October 20, 1935 when they arrived at a northern province near the Great Wall .

(3) 朱熹 (Zhu Xi 1130AD to 1200AD)

Zhu Xi was born in the present day Wu Yuan county (婺源縣) of Jiangxi province
(江西省), during the Song Dynasty (宋朝 960AD to 1279AD). He was recognized by the Federation of Hakka Associations of Malaysia as a Hakka. In 1148AD he graduated as a scholar (Jin Shi 進士) and was appointed an official. Zhu Xi was the most famous theorist and educationist in the Southern Song Dynasty (南宋). He had written many books and the most famous one is the book on explaination of the
Four Classical Book (四書).

This is one of one the poems from his book Shi Ji Chuan (詩集傳):

雨後池上

一雨池塘水面平﹐淡磨明鏡照檐楹。
東風忽起垂楊舞﹐更作荷心萬點聲。

After the rain the surface of the pond was clam,
Like a clear mirror shining on the house front doors.
Suddenly an eastern gust, making the braches of the poplar tree danced,
And trembled the lotus flowers like whispering.
(I cannot recall who translated it, either Dr. SL Lee or I
or from somewhere else).

CHUNG Yoon-Ngan (鄭永元)
All rights reserved 30102003

Yoon-Ngan

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 Re: Your Chinese Surname
Author: Paul Yih (---.mad.wi.charter.com)
Date:   11-03-03 20:28

Dear Dr. Chung, is your book available via Amazons ? I will be interested to make such purchase. Thanks - Is it also in English/Chinese or Chinese alone ?

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 Re: Chinese Surname ZHU
Author: Paul Yih (---.mad.wi.charter.com)
Date:   11-03-03 20:44

Wow, Dr. Chung, another eye opening piece for those of us who had only glimpses of the Chinese history but your wording and in your story telling had helped me to know a great deal more today. By the way, am I imposing by asking the orign of the name "yeh" , as in foliage or just "leave" from a tree ? I am just curious of all those names also related to grass, floral of sorts. I thank you in advance.

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 Chinese Surname YE (leaf)
Author: CHUNG Yoon-Ngan 
Date:   11-04-03 03:38


Dear Paul,

Actually, when you first joined Asiawind, in order to welcome you, I posted Chinese surname YE (Yih)
in Hakka Forum in March this year. I presumed your surname was YE (leaf),
but I received no response. So I kept quiet as YE in Hakka is YAP.
My book is in English and is not available with Amazon. Please give me your email address and I shall write to you and let you know how to obtain my book.
Here is the origin of your surname. Please query me if you don't follow.

Chinese Surname YE (葉)

Ye means: leaf; a period; page.
The surname Ye is more than 2,300 years old.

The surname Ye originated in an area referred to during the Qin Dynasty (秦朝 221BC to 207BC) as the Nan Yang prefecture (南陽郡). The present day location of Nan Yang prefecture is the Nan Yang county (南陽縣 112.5 degree East and 33.0 degree North on the world map) of Henan province.

Zhou King Cheng (周成王 reign 1115BC to 1079BC), the second King of the Zhou Dynasty (1134BC to 256BC), gave Mi Xiong Yi (羋熊繹) the authority to rule a region called Jing Man (荊蠻 in the present day region between the two rivers of Chang Jiang 長江 and Han Shui 漢水 in the two provinces of Hunan 湖南省 and Hubei 湖北省). Zhou King Cheng also bestowed upon him the hereditary title of Zi (子) or Viscount.

Most of the residents living in Jing Man were descendants of the Miao Clan (苗族). Mi Xiong Yi came to be known as Jing Man Zi (荊蠻子) or the Viscount of Jing Man. Mi Xiong Yi establishd his capital in Zi Gui (秭歸 present Zi Gui county 秭歸縣 in Hubei province 湖北省) and he renamed his domain as the State of Chu (楚國). From then the official title of the future rulers of Chu were known as Chu Zi (楚子).

Seventeen generations later in 740BC, Mi Xiong Tong (羋熊通), a descendant of Mi Xiong Yi, became the ruler of Chu. In 704BC Mi Xiong Tong proclaimed that he was not the Viscount of Chu (楚子) but the King of Chu (楚王). Mi Xiong Tong titled himself Chu King Wu (楚武王) and moved his capital Zi Gui to Dan Yang (丹陽 present day Zhi Jiang county 枝江縣 in Hubei province). Mi Xiong Tong adopted Xiong (熊) as his surname; from then on, Xiong was the surname of all the rulers of the State of Chu.

In 515BC Xiong Zhen (熊軫) became the ruler of Chu and ruled Chu until 489BC. In 508BC Xiong Zhen ordered Shen Yin Shu (沈尹戍), his Prime Minister to lead a large army to invade the State of Wu (吳國 in present day Wu Xing 吳興 in Jiangsu province 江蘇省). The Chu forces were defeated by the Wu and Shen Yin Shu was killed in the battle.

In order to console the family of Shen Yin Shu, Xiong Zhen gave Shen Yin Shu's son Shen Zhu Liang (沈諸梁) the authority to rule a place called Ye (葉 present day Ye Xian 葉縣 in Henan province 河南省). Xiong Zhen also bestowed upon him the hereditary title of Gong (公) or Duke. Shen Zhu Liang came to be known as Ye Gong (葉公) or the Duke of Ye. Ye Gong renamed his domain as the State of Ye (葉國).

Xiong Zhen died in 489BC and his son Xiong Zhang (熊章) succeeded him as the new ruler of Chu. In 479BC, Bai Gong Sheng (白公勝), a prince of Chu, gathered a band of armed followers and staged a revolt against Xiong Zhang. Bai Gong Sheng killed two officials while they were having an audience with Xiong Zhang in the palace and Bai Gong Sheng held Xiong Zhang as a hostage. Bai Gong Sheng wanted to dethrone Xiong Zhang and install his cousin Xiong Qi (熊啟) as the ruler of Chu. Xiong Qi refused to accept the offer and Bai Gong Sheng had Xiong Qi executed.

On hearing of the rebellion against Xiong Zhang, Ye Gong congregated an army and marched to the capital to rescue the ruler. In a battle near the capital, Ye Gong defeated Bai Gong Sheng who fled to the hills and committed suicide. Ye Gong was greatly honoured by Xiong Zhang for saving his life.

In 401BC Xiong Yi (熊疑) became the ruler of Chu and ruled Chu for twenty years and died in 381BC. Following the death of Xiong Yi there was a power struggle among the princes and Wu Qi (吳起), the Prime Minister was killed in the struggle. The ruler of the State of Ye was a supporter of Wu Qi. The following year, Xiong Zang (熊臧), the new ruler of Chu absorbed the State of Ye. The children of the serving Ye Gong adopted Ye as their surname in remembrance of their extinct state.

The couplet for surname YE is

立志不隨流俗轉﹐
留心學到古人難。

Famous historical figures produced by the YE clan are:

(1) 葉劍英 (Ye Jianying 1897 - 1986)

Ye Jianying was born in Yanyang village (雁洋鄉) of Meixian (梅縣) in Guangdong province (廣東省). His father was a businessman. After graduated from Yunnan Military Academy (雲南武堂), Jianying was appointed a district magistratein Guangdong province. In 1922 Jianying joined the Kuomintang Party (KMT) and became an instructor at Whampoa Military Academy (黃埔軍校) in 1923. The following year Jianying joined the Chinese Communist Party (CCP). He commanded a division during the Northern Wxpedition. He participated in the Nanchang Uprising in 1928. After the collapse of the uprising he went to Moscow for two years and return to China in 1930.

He took part in the Long March. He helped Mao Zedong (毛澤東) in establishing the People's Republic of China (PRC).

(2) 葉亞來 (Ye Yalai 1837 - 1885)

Yap Ah Loy, the Hakka man, the founder of Kuala Lumpur, the capital of Malaysia was born on 14th of March 1837 in Zhou Tian Xiang (周田鄉) village near a town called Dan Shui Zhen (淡水鎮) in the county of Hui Yang (惠陽縣) of Guangdong province (廣東省). He was named Yap Te Loy (葉德來), but people called him Ah Loy. Eventually he was known as Yap Ah Loy. His parents had five children; three boys and two girls. Yap Ah Loy was the Lao Da (老大 the eldest).
(See Hakka Forum to know more about Yap Ah Loy)

CHUNG Yoon-Ngan (鄭永元)
All rights reserved 04112003

Yoon-Ngan

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 Re: Chinese Surname YE (leaf)
Author: SL Lee 
Date:   11-04-03 10:50

I think it is Yi as in RongYi (easy).
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SL Lee

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 Re: Chinese Surname YE (leaf)
Author: Paul Yih (---.mia.net)
Date:   11-04-03 15:12

SL, Cantonese it is "yip" . Yes , it measns leaf. Thanks

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 Re: Chinese Surname YE (leaf)
Author: Paul Yih (---.mia.net)
Date:   11-04-03 15:21

Dear Mr. Chung,

Thank you so much for you helping me to track my ancestor with the name Ye, or Yeh, or Cantonese Yip- The spelling of our name into Yih - was the fact that it was a Portuguese translation.

In part, my older sisters had told me where my father's origin is from Yu-yau (phonetically) in Zhejiang- and also the likelihood for us being descendent from Henen is very likely - In our home village in our hall - It was listed a plaque " wuan Tsung Nan Yan " in Chinese was see-heavy-Nan Yan. Could that be any linkage of the smart man Zhugelian in the tale of the Three kingdoms ?

And if I am not mistaken, my mother 's family was raised in Guanxi- Kuilin but with origin of the family Lin or Cantonese (lum) from Punyu. I have heard of her saying that her family could also been Hakka - She is now 96 years old -- but I will check and double check.

I will be happy to buy your book - I see that that is the essence of our Chinese geneology :) Once again, my deepest gratitude to you and for your work.

My email is yih@mia.net

Wam regards.

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 Re: Chinese Surname YE (leaf)
Author: CHUNG Yoon-Ngan 
Date:   11-04-03 19:09


Dear Paul,

The couplet in your family hall "Wuan Tsung Nan Yan"
I think, it is, in Pinyin
Guan Zhong Nan Yang (觀重南陽 am I right SL Lee?),
As surname Ye, Yip (葉 leaf) originated from Nan Yang county (南陽縣),
in Henan province (河南省), 112.5 degree East and 33.0 degree North
on the world map.

When you mentioned Zhuge Liang (諸葛亮), the military strategist
who lived during the period of Three Kingdoms, I think you are referring
to the couplet written by Mao Zedong (毛澤東)
and presented to Marshall Ye Jianying 葉劍英元帥)

The couplet reads:

諸葛一生唯謹慎﹐=Zhuge yi shen wei jin shen,
呂端大事不糊塗。=Lu Duan* da shi bu hu tu.

For his whole life Zhuge was discreet in word and deed,
Lu Duan was never muddled with major affairs.

*
(Lu Duan was a scholar who lived during the
Song Dynasty (宋朝 960 to 1279).

Will write to you soon

CHUNG Yoon-Ngan (鄭永元)
05112003

Yoon-Ngan

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 Ye Gong cherished dragons
Author: CHUNG Yoon-Ngan 
Date:   11-04-03 23:35


Ye Gong cherished dragons
葉 公 好 龍 (Ye Gong Hao Long2)

葉 Ye4 means: a leaf; a Chinese surname
公 Gong means: grandfather
好 Hao3 means: fond of
龍 Long2 means: dragon

There was an aristocrat named Ye Zi Gao (葉子高), who lived in the State of Chu
(楚國 present day Jiang Ling county 江陵縣 in Hubei province 湖北省), during the Spring and Autumn Period (春秋時代 722BC to 481BCB) of the Zhou Dynasty
(周朝 1134BC to 256BC). Ye Zi Gao had a fascination for dragons. All his furniture and implements bore motives of dragons. The doors, windows, pillars and ceilings in his house were all carved with patterns of dragons. All the walls of his house were painted with lively pictures of dragons, some of which were so real that they appeared to be in motion. All his clothes had dragon designs and his pillows and blankets were embroidered with dragon patterns.

All and sundry who entered his house felt like they were stepping into a world
of dragons. Ye Zi Gao's affection of dragons was well known throughout the
district and was respected by people.

The real dragon in heaven heard about his infatuation and one day decided
to pay him a visit. The real dragon descended to earth and arrived at Ye Zi
Gao's house. The dragon entered the house, poking its head through a
window and resting its tail in the lounge. Ye Zi Gao was shocked and frightened
to see the dragon. Before the dragon could extend its salutations, Ye Zi Gao, in
a flash, dashed out of the house screaming in terror. Ye Zi Gao was shown to
have a superficial interest in dragons while coveting the power and reverence
of the dragons.

莊子: 「葉公子高之好龍﹐雕文畫之....」

CHUNG Yoon-Ngan (鄭永元)
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Yoon-Ngan

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 Re: Chinese Surname YE (leaf)
Author: Paul Yih (---.mia.net)
Date:   11-05-03 10:41

Dear Dr Chung,

Once again, my deepest gratitude for you to have gone through much to help me track down the heritage of our people from the Zhejing region- It was said that our ancestor were from Henan - By your posting, it made up one more confirmation to "reaffirm" of our own research.

As I have offered Gavin Menzies in his "hypothesis" of the Chinese presence in the Latin Americas dated 1421 - or circa that time of the Zhenghe and his voyages - His hypothesis was that the fleets, various of fleets with its numerous personnel may have drifted north and northwestward once they past the current "cape of Good Hope" or around the horn of Africa. And these voyagers may have first split up into two groups - One had went straight northward and landed into Greenland today- where evidence of Chinese DNA have been found - another group had venture into the region were today the islands of Guadalupe and also into Puerto Rico------

What is more interesting is that Mr. Menzies had also commented on the possible Chinese landing into the Amazon region - As I was born in China, Shanghai and grew up in Macao/Hong Kong and with the family, we have left for Brazil in 1962 at the age of 14. The 45 days of seavoyages had trigger nto only my innate " Monkey King" adventure but also the curiosity of the Polo and the obvious Polo's adventure was the inspiration of Colombus and his circumnavigation into the Americas and not India.

In that journey of mine, I have witnessed racism from the start - the denial of entry into Penang since we held Chinese passport - The crossing of the strait of Malacca was scientifically interesting due to the level of the sea were actually above the ship we were travelling on----- Then the marvels of the cities in East Africa like Lourenco marques and all the other cities like East London, Durban, Cape Town ...etc - where we have witnessed dancing Zulu chiefs in shows -- and then next day, they were the rakeshaw "coolies " or poolies -- for tourist - Wow, what a switch- From the kinds and nobles - As we now watched Chakka Zulu and the degradation of these people - Of course, also then the green and red color code buses and public places -- with the Asians like us Chinese and Indians who are "abstained" from those color divisions - Nevertheless- a new human experience.. then the sinking of the island of Tristan da cunha in the midst of the Atlantic (I wish I could have collected the stamps then..it is worth a few dollars now ..:)) Then onto Rio, Santos and Sao Paulo. And I have enjoyed my youth in Brazil and the acquisition of the Portuguese language and then Spanish ..

One of the reason while I have this segment of my work with Menzies to be posted here is that I think -- In today's climate - much of the open research can be done openly and many of can share these varieties of experience from our own perspective and the "angle" of observation that can be equally contributing to his new era in what I called "Cultural anthropology" with the angle coming from Chinese - As you know, Victors write history - As Napolen had helped the anthrological studies and the digging of the Egyptian tombs which had foster the rest of the development of the studies of Egypt lasting till today.

It is our time now to do much teh same - Not to be "ethnicentrically" glorifying China and our culture and history - But rather, it is time for us to also put our perspecitve in how China had the world engaged or 'even" disengaged as we now know the Ming Dynasty had ignored all the new findings from this one low class eunuch ZhengHe....and there are the many angles to see the "distrustful", "feuding" Ming emperors - Well, by my minor ignorance but with some audacious comment was that the dispute of the power amongst the Ming brothers and siblings was atrocious - Many then Martial art novels were written about this treacherous time of Ming dyansty -- and the termination of once the most powerful naval fleet of China is worth for us to explore more.

Back to the main focus in why I am now helping Menzies in the segment of China/Brazil and Zhenghe.

I have always been a curious traveller - the living Monkey King:)

At age 15, I have travelled into the Western Brazil and had witnessed the similarities of the natives , more specifically the Xavantes Indians - in Mato Grosso- and much more, it was due to my association with the Salesian order - where I have attended Salesian schools in Macao and then in Brazil - a Catholic order from Turin, Italy and by the founder named St John Bosco - in Macao the school was called "Tsi- Yau" (I am not good in pinyin) but it translates into "tsi"= kindness yau=young. They had helped many orphans and abandoned children -- in Italy as well as in and around the world - As of today, teh Salesian order in Macao along with the Canossas sisters order have been aiding over 9000 lepers in three provinces - Guandong, Guanxi and in Yuanan and now expanding into Sichuan (queitly and gently- never had made any noise or to show any disrespect to the government - but just good ole human work like Mother Teresa).

The Salesians in Brazil have been given a great deal of responsibility by the Vatican in the vast portion of land in the jungles of Brazil - And in today's terms, teh Salesians are very well connected as the "educators" of the natives - unlike the missionary past - these religious have done far more to protect and to guard against the cultures of the indigenous people than to sheer "religious" conversion - I feel that I can expand that horizon in my own pesonal resarch with both the Salesians and the government agencies (Funai) and universities throughout Brazil to rally to my cause in aiding not only Gavin Menzies hypothesis of Chinese had landed into Brazil. It is nwo merely an hypothesis.

But I also would like to launch my research publically in this forum - maybe SL Lee and Lau will be kind enough to give us a segment of the forum just for that purpose of our collective R/D using Menzies book to give all overseas Chinese the kind of input - I think it can be both fun and rewarding to us all and to the future of archeology, anthropology discovery for us all. This can be a wonderful platform. And the electronic medium will allow us to share new "ideas" , documenting "new" discoveries" and to do teh screening for all t hose who can give us input.

Thus , this will lead to the possible organizations that can be housed and hosted by this forum - Called that "Chinese Historical Society" , then with Chapters in North America - subdivided into Canada, US , Mexico and then CHS in Brazil and in all Latin America - yes, to be done totally online to get started -- and then a future site, archives and organizations will emerge and then conventions, meetings (meetings of the minds, greetings of the souls ...) and CHS can be expanded into all regions of the world like your Australia, in the Southeastern region - And collectively, we can gather forces of ideas and work to foster this new approach to history and to foster new studies.

The way I go about it now and at this juncture is to try to echo some of the hypothesis of Menzies -

As a child, I was curious of the asiatic looking of the native Brazilians- be that of the Tupi-Guarani in the costal region which had gone from north to as far south to Paraguay - Of course, the massacre fo the natives by Argentinians and by Uruguyans had hardly any more evidence of the natives lasted.

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 (Part 2) Menzies - Chinese - Brazil
Author: Paul Yih (---.mia.net)
Date:   11-05-03 12:26

(Part 2)

IN this segment of Part 2 - The hypothesis of Chinese in Brazil was due to my early observation of the presence of "asian Bufallos" in the region called Marajo islands.

And in Menzies research team now where he had found also DNA of Chinese amongst the natives called Sucuri in the mid section of the Amazons near Santarem. This is going to be one area where I will try to conduct my own research - but urging some of the assistance in not only funds, but personnel. Here is my "proposal".

I will need China to funish me some 6 - 10 scholars - preferrably anthropological students/observers. ( as you know, in every segment of our work, there will be obstacles - I don't think cultural anthropology is in high demand- thus far, anthropology still being look upon as one of the luxury of the West, the scientific discipline of the rich :) ) . Nevertheless, by my narratives- not particularly about the proper structure of "priorities" and format - I think I will be able to gather volunteers or participants who may be just curious about Brazil where I can be the conduit to bring forth those who want to make this R/D both fun, enjoying and then purposeful to all...I am here to extract resources and my invitation to all forumites even just to come to Brazil and visit even our jungles, our gem mines or just to see Rio, Sao Paulo and all other marvelous wide jungle sites or historical sites like Salvador/Ouro Preto -- More importatnly for those who are interested the crosscultural area of West Africa/ Yuruba / Brazil 's African American heritage and influence - Not to forget that the entire black culture range from Brazil to the Carribeans -- say Cuba - were all stemmed from the slave trade and there are hundreds of tantalizing and marvelous stories of the rich heritage of the Africans (be that of nowaday Yuruba from Nigeria, or the folks from Benin ). Brazil has many to offer for novice in travel, in culture, in gemstones or in just sheer tourism - I have every intentions to make this available for those who are interest to take on this Chinese/Brazil heritage foundation -- (yet to be formed) and make it fun for all.

But my immediate hypothesis is to have these"researchers" to be launched into the midst of the Sucuri tribe - I need these scholars , if given the choice to be able to "listen" and "extract" any phonetic similarities of this tribe - Thus, given the chance, I would like to have these ethnic Chinese to come from an region - This is where I need your help- as a historian in the trace of Chinese heritages - What language or what dialects would have been spoken by these travellers with Zhenghe - Knowing that Zhenghe is originally from Yuanan, a Muslim and yet his voyages and his trips had us known about Sumatra and all regions in Southeast Asia ---- Then what crew would Zhenghe could have assembled ? What dialect or closer to the sound of Chinese spoken at that time ? In Beijing ? In Nanjing then and the deck hands ?

These are the kind or "patterns" of the language I would like to articulate as much as possible to have these group of "researchers" selected - preferrbly they do not have any "foreign" language knowledge that way not to distort the "linguistic" and the "phonetic" sound purity .

That is just one aspect of it and I will do the documentation of the sounds of the Sucuri Indians and then forward to China also for joint research also.

So, I hope I have not imposed onto you nor the Asianwind - But I would like to opne this can of "good worms" to all Chinese and where else can we find a more diverse of participants in such forum and with both historical and scholastic insterest to foster our own ?

Nothing is flawless, in this kind of research, I myself had also already do the rebuttal to "disprove" what have been hypothesized - Amongst one of them was the presence of jade or Jadeite in Central America - Guatemala is one of the few natual jadeites found beside Burma - and remember, Jadeite or Burmese jade had only landed into China around 1600 or in the Qin (Chuan lung - emperor - against, my apologies for the pinyin ) or the fourth emperor of Qing - Thus, any thing predated that of the jadeite into China in the Americas - Cannot consider to be good evidence.

Also, about the DNAs presence - Can the theory of the Asians and the land mass between Asia and America and the crossing from the frozen thundras into the Americas ? Thus, even the DNA findings and the presence of the Asians have presented many different set of theories - and from the high range of mountains of Andes, the presence of the Polynesian like culture into the Easter Islands ? All of that and more will be questioned again and again.

Thus, not only in my background and the many sounds I have grown up with , from the native dialect of Yuhau, or Zhejing - the maids had spoken Sichuan, Shanghai -- mother is Cantonese speakng so called "guan wa" or the official language of the province -- grew up in Guanxi - with sounds and pronounciations that similar to the Sichuan - Then the Mandarin, the Cantonese that became our first natural language-- Then the Portuguese and Spanish, my interest in Latin and Greek, the composition of the prefix, suffix and radical - Roman or Greco Roman, or the Arabic roots -- the anglo/Germanic language we use now are all part of the intrigue and interest I have to pledge to full use now in this research ..

And I will value you and your historical knowledge not only from geneology - and the link of our name and surnam origins - But also , in hope in view of your link to the locations and the possible Hakka migrations will be of equal importance to me now in working with ------Gavin Menzies - and hope that this research will generate not only our interest but in this work - in the organization of the Chinese Hisorical Society throughout the world will rally the kind of wider interest amongst scholars world wide and also to link our roots to our next generations of our own ethnicity.

I think the timing is most appropriate to see "China" risen to what China should be - not only as an economic power, but to be a power inthe world that is not strenghtened by "force" or "conquest" by by our cultural engagements.

I will be working harder to use the existing schools, universities, cultural institutes to help us with the existing evidence and research - Case in point, Anna Roosvelt, a former researcher in the Chicago Field Museum and the great grand daughter of (I assume) of Teddy Roosvelt had done much of her research in the region of Marajo, of Amazon with many ceramics --- and I have Universidade de Sao Paulo, Escola de Minas in Ouro Preto, Brazil...Beloit College here in Wisconsin and a few more network where this research can be done or start off in Brazil.

Again, I hope I have no imposed onto you or Asianwind - But I think this is one of the best medium we can use online and in time, we can find ways to give funds to Asianwind to lead - the forming of a CHS 's own foundation can be done and be repeated globally.

This is not just my ambition and good will - This is how I think the world cultural research can be shared by all - and from all corners.

Thank you for sharing.

Thank you also to SL and Lau ...and all others who may be interested in the formation of CHS - World to have the initiative in the use of the expedition of ZhengHe and by the book by Gavin Menzies.

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 Re: (Part 2) Menzies - Chinese - Brazil
Author: SL Lee 
Date:   11-05-03 14:56

Paul,

It is a good idea but a formidable project. I think you should approach in small steps. First, you might want to contact the Chinese Consulate in Brazil (or to the Chinese Consulate in US) to propose your idea. You might find some way to work with them.

Your post to a wrong thread may not get the appropriate attention you want.
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 Re: (Part 2) Menzies - Chinese - Brazil
Author: Paul Yih (---.mia.net)
Date:   11-05-03 16:10

Haha, SL ....Thanks for the notification...

As a matter of fact, the entire ideas was formulated while I was writing to Mr. Chung regarding the sound and dialects of the Chinese from that period.

As a matter of fact, maybe it is this mad /Chaos of in what I called the "Zen" manifestation - as to let things roll and happen as they should be-- That idea to have the sparkle of the CHS - Chinese Historical Society is definitely a viable one. What and where else can we rally the kind of Chinese ( I am not trying to be of an elitist here) but to have the kind of scholars, the kind of participants in the Asianwind can all be aiding us in our frist and "ground" level type of beginning.

Regarding Brazil, I have no problem - I know I can rally the kind of ethnic Chinese/American/Brazilian to my cause and maybe - financially, we can have the CHS - Brazil long before here in the US - and simultaneously, ZhengHe Association can also be form right under your umbrella.

At this stage, we care merely in discussion - as we should, genuine, open and honest discussion - and no hidden agendas of any sort.

I would like you (as I have emailed you before) and Mr. Lau, and Dr Goh and Cheung and whomever we deem necessary to form the "steering" committee - yes online-- When and where is necessary to use phone or conference call.

I am just being very much the Monkey - stir up some excitment , let chaos begin and then one by one, we can systematically organize - and you for one will definitely be the help to us all - We then can repaste or recopy from this threads to form the "R/D thread" for our Zhenghe Association, but I will make that a sub group under CHS - China (or Chinese) Historical
Society-North America.

I am very confident about Brazil and I am also confident in what I or we can do to aid Gavin Menzies - and in that process , the CHS will be formed along side of Zhenghe Association.

"When there is a will, there is a way " Do you not agree ? And of course, one of my first aim is to rally not only support of the contributors of stories, heresay, comments and documentations in all languages along the lines of the hypothesis set forth by Gavin Menzies. But the most crucial part of it is to rally the kind of "financial" support that we need to make this project viable -- and not only by direct money and time of contributors. I have this idea and in my approach to some of the philanthropic folks to give us support of this CHS or ZhengHe Association. I will put forth in this forum and in this category as well.

Warm regards and thank you for your response.

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 Re: (Part 2) Menzies - Chinese - Brazil
Author: Andrew Wong (---.ipt.aol.com)
Date:   01-03-04 11:06

My last name is Wong, any info the origins?

ALso my family lived in Cuba, but were later imigrants who left after the 1949 Chinese revolution execpt for my grandfather who came to CUba before to work

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 Re: (Part 2) Menzies - Chinese - Brazil
Author: Paul Yih (---.mia.net)
Date:   01-03-04 13:45

Mucho gusto ....Sr Wong.

I guess there are those forumites will be able to help you and they need to know which "Wong" and how that is written. There is this color of yellow named also wong - and there is also wong, phonetically meaning the King...or to be prosperous in the Cantonese context.

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 Re: (Part 2) Menzies - Chinese - Brazil
Author: Andrew Wong (---.ipt.aol.com)
Date:   01-03-04 14:27

From what I found out from my parents, the my surname wong is the same as huang in mandrian, and I think its the one meaning yellow.

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 Re: (Part 2) Menzies - Chinese - Brazil
Author: Yoon-Ngan CHUNG 
Date:   01-03-04 17:26


You can find the Chinese and English version of Chinese surname Huang (Wong meaning yellow) in Chinese Culture Forum.

CHUNG Yoon-Ngan
04012004

Yoon-Ngan CHUNG

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 Re: Chinese Surname ZHU
Author: phil (---.ed.shawcable.net)
Date:   01-04-04 22:43

my surname is liang. And my mother surname is Luke. Is it Liu in pinyin? what are their oringins?

thank you.

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 Chinese Surname LIANG
Author: Yoon-Ngan CHUNG 
Date:   01-05-04 01:00


Surname LIANG is No.21 in the top 100 surnames

Surname LIANG (梁).
Liang means a beam, bridge or elevation.
The surname Liang is about 2,600 years old.

The surname Liang originated in an area referred to during the Han Dynasty (漢朝 206BC to 220AD) as the An Ding prefecture (安定郡). The present day location of An Ding prefecture is in Gu Yuan county (固原縣 106.2 degree East and 36.0 degree North on the world map) of Gansu province (甘肅省)

From time immemorial there had been constant violent conflicts between the agricultural Xia Tribe (夏族) and the Quan Rong (犬戎), who were the marauding herdsmen, in the North Western part of the land that we call modern China. Pillaging and plundering committed by the Quan Rong went unabated throughout the Centuries.

In 827 BC Ji Jing (姬靖) was crowned Zhou King Xuan (周宣王) and reigned from 827BC to 782BC. Zhou King Xuan was the eleventh King of the Zhou Dynasty (周朝1134 BC to 256 BC). This constant menace by the Quan Rong was not tolerated by Zhou King Xuan, so in 825BC he ordered Qin Zhong (秦仲), a descendant of Huang Di (黃帝) or Yellow Emperor, to lead an expedition force to pacify the North Western Region. Unfortunately the expeditionary force was defeated by the Quan Rong and Qin Zhong was killed in the battle and a large part of territory was lost to the Quan Rong.

Qin Zhong had five sons, who swore that they would take revenge on the Quan Rong and recover the lost territory. The five brothers sent a petition to Zhou King Xuan asking for an army to take on the Quqn Rong. Zhou King Xuan agreed and dispatched an army of more than seven thousand troops, which were to be under the command of the five brothers.

On a chosen date they marched Northwest, with determination to have their revenge. The brother fought bravely and the Quan Rong were defeated and the lost territory was recovered.

After the victory Zhou King Xuan rewarded Qin Zhuang (秦莊), the eldest son of Qin Zhong, a position as the Governor of the Northwest Region. Qin Kang (秦康), the second son of Qin Zhong, was rewarded with authority by Zhou King Xuan to rule a district in Xia Yang Liang Shan (夏陽梁山) near the present day city of Han Cheng (韓城) in Shaanxi province (陜西省). Zhou King Xuan also bestowed upon Qin Kang the title of Bo (伯) or Earl which was hereditary. Qin Kang renamed his domain the State of Liang (梁國) and he was known as Liang Kang Bo (梁康伯) or Earl Liang Kang.

During the Spring and Autumn Period (春秋時間 722 BC to 481 BC), the central authority of the land was the Zhou Court which was weak. Traditionally, all Vassal States paid homage to the Zhou Court every three years; as the central authority grew weaker, the vassal States regarded the Zhou Court as a spent force, unable to intervene in disputes among the Vassal States. Large and powerful states began to conquer and annex the small and weaker ones, knowing that the central authority could do nothing to stop them.

The state of Qin (秦國), in present day Feng Xiang county (鳳翔縣) in Shaanxi province, was a bordering State of Liang. Qin was a very powerful and bellicose State which wanted to expand its territory. In 641 BC the ruler of Qin called Ying Ren Hao (嬴任好), who ruled from 659 BC to 621 BC, decided to expand Eastward. Eventually the State of Liang was conquered and annexed by Qin.

The descendants of Liang Kang Bo adopted LIANG as their surname in remembrance of their extinct State.

The couplet of surname Liang is:

東平世澤﹐=Dong ping shi ze,
安定家聲。=An ding jia sheng.

Prominent historical figures of the Liang clan are:

(1) Liang Hong Yu (梁紅玉)

Liang Hong yu was the wife of Han Shi Zhong (韓世忠 1089AD to 1151AD), a general in the armed forces of the Song Dynasty (宋朝 960AD to 1279AD). In 1130AD, the fourth year reign of Emperor Gao Zong (高宗皇帝), the Jin Army (金兵) under the command of Wu Zhu (兀朮) invanded Huang Tian Dang (黃天蕩 present day the city of Nanjing 南京市 in Jiangsu province 江蘇省). The Song army under the command of Han Shi Zhong fought against the Jin invaders. While Hang Shi Zhong leading the Song Army fighting the Jin Forces Liang Hong Yu beat drums to give her husband the moral support (擊鼓助戰﹐激勵士氣). The Jin Army could not cross Chang Jiang (長江). Eventually, the Song Army withdrew from the city of Huang Tian Dang which fell to the Jin Army.

In 1136AD, Emperor Gao Zong appointed Han Shi Zhong the Military Governor of Chu Zhou (楚州 present day Huai An county 淮安縣 in Jiangsu province). Liang Hong Yu accompanied her husband to help him in his new appointment. Liang Hong Yu 與士卒披荊斬棘﹐她親身織帘為屋 or helped the soldiers and officers to settle in the new environment. In appreciation of her service Emperor Gao Zong rewarded Liang Hong Yu the title of Lady An Guo (安國夫人). This is what the people said about her, 滿江還響紅玉鼓=Man jiang huan xiang Hong Yu gu.

(2)
清風明月本無價﹐=Qing feng ming yue ben wu jia,
近水遙山皆有情。=Jin shui yao shan jie you qing.

The cool breeze and the bright moon are priceless,
The close water and the remote mountain have the affection.

The above couplet was written by the scholar cum Governor Liang Zhang Ju (梁章鉅 1775AD to 1848AD) who was born in Chang Le county (長樂縣) in Fujian province (福建省). Liang Zhang Ju passed the Imperial Examination during the reign of Emperor Jia Qing (嘉慶皇帝 1796AD to 1820AD) and became a Jin Shi (進士).
He was appointed an official and eventually became the Governor of the two provinces of Jiangsu (江蘇省) and Jiangxi (江西省). He had written many books.

(3) Liang Qi Chao (梁啟超 1873AD to 1929AD)

Liang Qi Chao was born in Xin Hui county (新會縣) in Guangdong province (廣東省). At an earlier age he learned the Classics from his grandfather and father. He enrolled at the Naval College in Guangzhou city (廣州市). In the 15th year reign of Emperor Guang Xu (光緒皇帝) or 1889AD, at the age of 17, he passed the Imperial Examination.

At that time most of the young people had the attitude of 國家興亡﹐(Guo jia xing wang), 匹夫有責。(Pi fu you ze), or The rise and fall of the country I bear the reponsible. Seeing the Qing Government was so corrupted he and his teacher Kang You Wei (康有為) established a newspaper called Shi Wu Bao (時務報) or Current Affairs Daily in Shanghai. Current Affairs Daily criticzed the Government for being corrupted. It was advocating for the government to build moderm schools and to abolish the Imperial Examination. Liang Qi Chao, Kang You Wei, Tan Si Tong (譚嗣同) and a few others staged a coup to reform the corrupted Qing Administration. Liang Qi Chao fled to Japan after the coup was crushed.

Kiang Qi Chao was a very learned scholar and had written many books.
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I think surname LUKE is not a Chinese surname
CHUNG Yoon-Ngan (鄭永元)
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 Re: Chinese Surname LIANG
Author: phil (---.ed.shawcable.net)
Date:   01-10-04 18:19

The surname luke is an English version of Lu (pinyin). Some time luke is spelled Look as well in Canada.

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 Re: Chinese Surname LIANG
Author: Yoon-Ngan CHUNG 
Date:   01-10-04 19:11


Phil,

You did not even acknowledge my posting of surname LIANG. Now you are asking for surname LU. Do you know how hard and time consuming to write a Chinese surname. I had spent 6 long years to write 550 Chinese surnames. I had to go through many ancient Chinese Classics to extract the informations and translation them into English. Please treat your own surname with respect.


CHUNG Yoon-Ngan
11012004

Yoon-Ngan CHUNG

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 Re: Chinese Surname Tan
Author: Deborah Tan Qiang (---.mystarhub.com.sg)
Date:   01-14-04 02:07

Where did the surname Tan come and where was it originated from?

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 Re: (Part 2) Menzies - Chinese - Brazil
Author: Moragod Sinkultawongrit 
Date:   01-20-04 16:29

Sinkultawongrit ....

Anyone care to guess my Chinese surname? ;)

Moragod Sinkult

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 Re: (Part 2) Menzies - Chinese - Brazil
Author: Paul Yih (---.mia.net)
Date:   01-20-04 16:55

Sure --- send them along :)

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 Re: (Part 2) Menzies - Chinese - Brazil
Author: FM Liew 
Date:   01-21-04 07:53

Most likely your surname is Wong.

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 XIE Clan (infos?)
Author: JC John SESE Cuneta (---.skyinet.net)
Date:   01-22-04 09:56

Greetings,

I'm from the Philippines, 5th generation from the "Sese" (Philippine) Founder who came from Guangdong China as a trader (Xie4 in Chinese).

I'm currently doing researches as to our lineage. Today, there are many "Sese"s in the Philippines, Taiwan, and other Countries, and I found out, my own blood came from Xie of Guangdong (I don't know about the other Sese's).

Do you have any infos for the Xie and/or Sese of the Philippines? I'm still going to contact the Xie's in Pampanga, Philippines as the founder landed and lived there.

Now I'm researching not because I love it, and I want to know our ancestry, but because my girlfriend's parents Wong [King] and Ang wants a Chinese for their daughter (who wouldn't considering the Chinese traditions) and I need to gather as much facts as I can.

Hope anyone can help :D Xie xie ni.

As far as my research (together with my cousin who's currently working in China) goes, it's a fact that Sese came from Xie (Xie4) meaning "thank you" in Chinese, other than that, not much infos except the history of "Xie" itself.

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JC.

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 Re: XIE Clan (infos?)
Author: FM Liew 
Date:   01-22-04 23:43

Hi JC,
it'll be much easier if you caould tell us about yourself; example:
Your Chinese dialect.

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 Re: Chinese Surname LIANG
Author: phil (---.ed.shawcable.net)
Date:   01-27-04 20:38

Thank you very much Yoon- Ngan Chung. I really appreciate your reseach into Chinese surnames. Without people like you, our cultureal history would not be as rich.

phil

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 Re: XIE Clan (infos?)
Author: JC John SESE Cuneta (---.skyinet.net)
Date:   02-01-04 07:35

Hmm if about my Chinese dialect, considering I'm from the Philippines, it should've been Fukien and Cantonese if I only followed my parents wishes. During that time when I was young, I was never told why they want me to study Chinese.

But personally, I'd like to start with Fukien and Cantonese.

Well other infos, my mother is a Sese, the 4th generation Sese (from the Sese "branch" founder who was a Xie[4]) belonging to 12 family member. Lived in Pampanga and Manila Philippines and was part of the revolution against the Spaniards, Americans, and Japanese when the Philippines was under them (her [my mom] parents and 3 eldest brothers were born already during these times).

My mom's family speaks in Chinese and my uncle told me they're speaking Fukien, Cantonese, and Mandarin during those times and is done only in close circles as the taxation to those who are Chinese is so strong and strict here.

I still live in the Philippines, met my relatives on the Sese branch who are directly related to our own line. Still going to meet up with the other Sese lines here in the Philippines as I'm too busy with work recently.

Our ggggf who is a Xie landed on Pampanga, a businessman (or a trader as they call it before) came from Guangdong, a pure Chinese. The 1st generation mostly died before the 90's entered and most of them lived in Pampanga.

It was passed on that "Sese" means "thank you" in the original surname "Xie" in Chinese (which means it's Xie4 [17 strokes - my fave number hehe]).

My cousin is also doing genealogy and is currently working in China. A Chinese businessman proved and showed proofs to my uncle that the Sese's came from Xie from Pampanga from Guangdong which (again) means thank you. Sadly, my uncle lost contact to this guy years ago before one of the 5th gen got curious about our heritage.

That's all I can give or think of in relation to Sese (Xie). I work, most of my friends are Chinese or are Chinese blooded (but I never studied in a Chinese school or in a school populated by Chinese). Even at work, my friends are Chinese or are blooded as well. (really weird)

And I'm more interested in Chinese civilization even before I learned / found out that I am blooded (has something to do with the scientific discovery of "DNA Memory" and "Cell Memory" ??? ).

What else? erm... that's all for now I guess. Hope that will help.


thanks again.

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 Re: Your Chinese Surname
Author: John Lao (---.tnt3.mel1.da.uu.net)
Date:   02-07-04 06:59

Hi, i would like to find out about these surnames:

Lao 櫛
Jin 踢

They're both my surnames, but the first is my mothers and the second is my father's. I go by my mother's name

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 Re: XIE Clan (infos?)
Author: FM Liew 
Date:   02-07-04 08:35

John,
thanks for sharing with us about yourself. :)

Do you know how to speak the Chinese dialect?
You mentioned about your mom, but what about your dad's side?
What is his dialect group?

The surname which you are bearing is most likely to be your dad's.

According to what I know, quite a number of 'teochew' and 'hakka' come under this surname.

Hockien Xie4 is rather rare...not that there aren't any.

This board suppose to cater to oversea Chinese, and infomation sharing.
Once again, thanks.

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 Chinese surname Wong
Author: Wong (---.skyinet.net)
Date:   02-08-04 01:10

I'm looking for infos on the Chinese surname Wong which is King in Chinese. Thank you.

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 Re: XIE Clan (infos?)
Author: (XIE) JC John SESE Cuneta 
Date:   02-08-04 02:26

Well I'm supposed to know how to speak in Chinese but when I was a kid, I decline on studying in a Chinese school. During that time I don't know why they want me to study in one. It was only during my High School days when I learned the reason why. So now, I'm planning to study in a language school instead. My mom has forgotten how to speak after so many years of not using the language (err, because of me hehe).

My dad, well, I really can't get much infos on the "Cuneta" line. Before I was told it came from a long-line of Spaniards but when I tried to search and ask them, they said "Who told you that? We did not come from the Spanish line." If I ask them where, they don't know (sadly they didn't bother), as far as they know, they've been in Makati City and Pasay City long before the Spaniards came to the Philippines (which means they really did not come from Spaniards). I learned that it's my grandmother (father side) who came from a Spanish line (surname: Estrella). Regarding my research on the "Cuneta" line, I'm still not producing results (sad).

So from my dad's side, there's a possibility they 'were' Chinese and it was so long-ago it never reached me (if such a concept is possible). Coz I learned that dozens of Chinese here in the Philippines totally changed their surnames or added new "syllables" (if you will) just so to hide their Chinese origins (why do non-Chinese hate Chinese, I really don't understand...), well, there's that possibility I still can't prove to be correct, all I have is that they were here long-before the Spaniards came.

My mom (used to) and her family speaks Mandarin, Fukien, and Cantonese. I'll ask them again if they know other dialects (since I recently encountered the "Hakka" Chinese).


I don't understand this tho:


QUOTED:
"The surname which you are bearing is most likely to be your dad's.

According to what I know, quite a number of 'teochew' and 'hakka' come under this surname.

Hockien Xie4 is rather rare...not that there aren't any."
END OF QUOTE

Cuneta could be from "Hakka" ?
I'm not familiar with "teochew" tho. :)

Hockien Xie4 . . . I don't get it, what do you mean "rare"?


Thanks again as well :D


JC.


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 Re: XIE Clan (infos?)
Author: FM Liew 
Date:   02-08-04 05:10

John,
I'm not referring to "Cuneta".
The surname xie4, is rather common among the 'Teochew and Hakkas'.

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 Re: Your Chinese Surname
Author: khekmi (---.singnet.com.sg)
Date:   02-22-04 08:15

Dear Dr Chung,

I may be late to follow on this tropic but I am very interested to find out my surname Qiu (small hill). Could you kindly give me some information. Thank you.

regards

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 Re: Chinese surname Wong
Author: Queenie (---.brutonschool.co.uk)
Date:   03-12-04 07:50

is there any more information about Wong, like where does it come from or who made this surname up.
thank you!!

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 Re: Teh (Zheng) Origins Meaning? Need info fast
Author: Teh *** **** (---.singnet.com.sg)
Date:   03-18-04 23:24

Zheng (Teh) Need Info on this surname super fast.
Please. All I know that ancestoral origins is from fujian. Speak hokkien.

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 Re: Teh (Zheng) Origins Meaning? Need info fast
Author: CHUNG Yoon Ngan 
Date:   03-18-04 23:54


Dear Teh,

I have been told by my publisher again and again not to release any information on the history of any Chinese surname. My publisher told me that no one would buy my book if people could obtain information easily from the internet.

If you are interested please write to me in the above email address.

My book is titled "The Origin of (550) Chinese Surnames", in ENGLISH.
ISBN 1 876763 663
Price $60.00 Australian dollars

CHUNG Yoon-Ngan
19032004

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 Re: Teh (Zheng) Origins Meaning? Need info fast
Author: Dav (210.193.23.---)
Date:   03-23-04 23:23

Hi Yoon Ngan,

Is your book available in Singapore yet?


Kindly let me know!

Thanks

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 Re: Teh (Zheng) Origins Meaning? Need info fast
Author: CHUNG Yoon Ngan 
Date:   03-23-04 23:32


Dear Dav,

Thank you for taking an interest in my book "The Origin of (550) Chinese Surnames" in English. You can only buy it from me and I live in Australia. However, you can buy my third book "73 Chinese Fables" from my publisher at [info@poseidenbooks.com].

CHUNG Yoon-Ngan
24032004

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 Re: Your Chinese Surname
Author: qiong (203.76.251.---)
Date:   04-02-04 01:43

Why is it that my father has two surnames? my grandfather's surname was KE, my father uses KE and sometimes LAO. What i know is that the surname lao is from Han dynasty. What about the other one? In this case, how can i trace where i come from?

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 Re: Your Chinese Surname
Author: FM Liew 
Date:   04-02-04 02:29

That you would have to ask your dad.

My dad has two surnames.
The biological surname is Chong( zhang1), And the foster one is Liew( liu2).

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 Re: Chinese Surname YE (leaf)
Author: Lillymay Wong See (---.orcon.net.nz)
Date:   04-08-04 21:30

I'm trying to locate my grandfather's family in China. His name is Chan Hong and he was brought to Samoa by the Germans in the early 1940s. He was single then and he married to a Samoan woman name Manufono.

I'm also trying to find out my mum's father's family in China too. His name is Ha Wa.

[Moderator: Please do not quote the entire post, only selectively and necessarily.]

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 Re: Your Chinese Surname
Author: katrina liang (---.in2cable.com)
Date:   04-30-04 14:27

hey Mr Chung,
i would really like to know the meaning and the origin of my surname "liang".hope u will satisfy this curiosity of mine.thank u

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 Re: Your Chinese Surname
Author: CHUNG Yoon Ngan 
Date:   05-01-04 21:49


Dear Katrina,

On top of this Forum you will find a
item called search. click to search,
chose 'all date' and type 'chinese surname liang'. Your surname LIANG will appear on your screen. If it does not work then tell
and will post again for you to read, but our
Administrator would be happy because it is wasting space to repost the article.

CHUNG Yoon-Ngan
02052004

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 Re: Your Chinese Surname
Author: Loy Hui k (---.singnet.com.sg)
Date:   06-02-04 10:56

PLs help me find my surname (LOY) and the origin of it. I needed to know quickly. Thank you

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 Re: Your Chinese Surname
Author: Akira 
Date:   06-10-04 22:03

Hi there Mr Chung, I'm from Japan, chinese origin My surname is Lim can u find my surname history....

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 Re: Your Chinese Surname
Author: Alex 
Date:   06-13-04 18:16

My husband is from Baisha Jiangmen, his surname is Chan, his father was Chan Chong. Could you please give me information about this surname thank you.

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 Re: Your Chinese Surname
Author: FM Liew 
Date:   06-14-04 02:13

Hi Alex,
there is a search engine here. Use that.

The related information have been repeated many times in the forum.

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 Re: XIE Clan (infos?)
Author: Andrew Sia (---.in-addr.btopenworld.com)
Date:   07-15-04 14:12

Dear All,

I recently found out that my name Sia is written and pronounced the same in chinese. My grandfather claims that an ancestor of ours was a member of the Han imperial court. I was looking for any information about the origins of the Xie/Sia name and whether there could be any truth in my grandfathers claims.

Thanks

P.S my family dialect is Hakka

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 Re: XIE Clan (infos?)
Author: mod4 
Date:   07-15-04 16:49


Dear Mr. XIE,

Regarding your surname please refer to this link.

http://www.asiawind.com/forums/read.php?f=4&i=1539&t=1539

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 Re: Chinese surname Bien
Author: Bien Long Nien (---.kja50.jaring.my)
Date:   07-20-04 10:26

I am looking for the roots of the surname Bien. Thank you.

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 Re: Chinese surname Bien
Author: CHUNG Yoon Ngan 
Date:   07-20-04 10:49


Could you please tell me your surname in Hanyin Pinyin (Chinese Phonatic Transcription or Mandarin) because I cannot make out surname Bien in Mandarin.

CHUNG Yoon-Ngan
20072004

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 Chinese surname Peng
Author: CHUNG Yoon Ngan 
Date:   07-20-04 10:57

Chinese surname PENG (彭)

Peng means: plenty; strong and huge.
The surname Peng is about 3000 years old.

The surname Peng originated in an area referred to during the Qin Dynasty (秦朝 221BC to 207BC) as the Long Xi prefecture (隴西郡). The present day location of Long Xi prefecture is in Lin Yao county (臨洮縣 103.8 degree East and 35.7 degree North on the world map) of Gansu province (甘肅省).

Lu Zhong (陸終), an eighth generation descendant of Huang Di (黃帝) or the Yellow Emperor, had six sons and his third son was called Jian Keng (籛鏗). During the Xia Dynasty (夏朝 2205BC to 1766BC) Jian Keng was given the authority to rule a district called Da Peng (大彭 present day Xu Zhou 徐州 city in Jiangsu province 江蘇省). Jian Keng adopted Peng (彭) as his surname and came to be known as Peng Keng (彭鏗).

During the Shang Dynasty (商朝 1783BC to 1122BC), an offspring of Peng Keng was an official in the Shang Court. In 1534BC he was ordered by King He Dan Jia (河亶甲王 1534BC to 1526BC) to lead an expeditionary force to pacify the rebellious Pei tribe (邳族) in the north. The ruler of Da Peng district defeated the Pei tribe who fled further north. King He Dan Jia rewarded the ruler of Da Peng the title of Bo (伯) or Count which was inheritable. The ruler of Da Peng was known as Peng Bo (彭伯).

King He Dan Jia died in 1526BC and was succeeded by his eldest son who was crowned as King Zu Yi (祖乙王). The following year King Zu Yi relocated Peng Bo to Xing (邢 present day Xing Tai county 邢台縣 in Hebei province 河北省).

During the reign of King Wu Ding ( 武丁王1324BC to 1275BC) the incumbent ruler of Xing, whose inherited the title of Peng Bo from his ancestors, pledged loyalty to Shi Wei (豕韋). King Wu Ding was furious and in 1282BC dispatched a punitive force and had the district of Da Peng and the State of Shi Wei subjugated. The descendants of Peng Keng continued to use PENG (彭) as their surname.

The couplet of surname Peng

源自陸終, =Yuan zi Lu Zhong,
望出隴西. =Wang chu Long Xi.

Prominent persons produced by the Peng clan.

(1) Peng Pai (彭湃 to 1929AD)

The cradle of the modern Chinese peasant associations was in the two counties of Hai Feng (海豐) and Lu Feng (陸豐), in the East River (東江) districts of Guangdong province (廣東省). The pioneer of the peasant movement was Peng Pai who was born into a wealthy Hai Feng (海豐) landlord family. He went to Japan to study politics and was greatly influenced by Japanese Socialists. He returned to China and became a school teacher in his native village. He was one of the first in the district to join the Chinese Communist Party. He believed that the 'main force' of the revolution was on the poor peasants. His idea was similar to that of Mao Ze Dong (毛澤東). He soon engaged in trying to organize the peasants. Peng Pai led his students to stage the 1921 May Day demonstration. For this he was dismissed by his school principal.

After the dismissal Peng Pai went out into the country side devoting himself entirely to the business of rousing the peasants. His first revolutionary venture to urge the peasants to organize peasant associations was a failure. He wore Western-style to the villages to talk to the peasants. People in his hometown thought that he had a nervous breakdown. As the son of a landlord he was first received with mistrust and hostility. The peasants told him:

"Each person's fate has long been determined in advance: a landlord will remain a landlord and a peasant will remain a tenant."

He used gramophone to play music and songs and magic shows - he was skilled at magic - to attract the villagers to his meetings. Peng Pai told the village audiences to form peasant organizations to fight for their own interest. Slowly after weeks, the peasants were convinced. The first Peasant Association was formed in 1922. More organizations were established and they spread rapidly to neighbouring districts and a Guangdong Provincial Peasant Association was founded.

At the high of this movement the peasant organizations contained more than 200,000 members in these two counties of Hai Feng and Lu Feng. Thus they became the model and the bastion for the peasant movement in China especially in Guangdong province.

In Febuary 1924 the Kuomintang (國民黨 KMT) established a Peasant Department in the city of Guangzhou (廣州) and Peng Pai became the first secretary of the Department. In July 1924 Peng Pai set up the Peasant Movement Training Institute and became its first director. The publication by the Institute was 中國農民 (The Chinese Peasant). Mao Ze Dong and Zhou En Lai (周恩來) also gave lectures in this Institute.

In 1925 Peng Pai left Guangzhou to resume his work to organize peasants to form Peasant Associations in Guangdong province. Mao Ze Dong took over from Peng Pai and became the second director of the Institute. Mao Ze Dong's brother Mao Zemin (毛澤民) was one his students, who included a large percentage of Hunanese probably recruited by Mao's provincial Party committee. In September 1925 Mao Ze Dong took the whole student body of the Peasant Movement Training Institute on a two-week visit to Hai Feng, where they were given lectures by Peng Pai and shown an agrarian revolution in action.

In July 1926 the Northern Expedition Army got under way with Chiang Kai-shek (蔣介石) as commander-in-chief who was appointed jointly by the Kuomintung and the Communists. Peng Pai took part in the expedition and was ordered to arouse the peasants to help the expedition forces.

On 12 April 1927 the Kuomintung and the Communist coalition abruply ended and on 1 August 1927 the Communists staged an uprising in the city of Nanchang (南昌) in Jiangxi province (江西省).

After the collapse of the uprising the Communists, including Peng Pai, retreated to Shantou (汕頭) in Guangdong province where they held for ten days against assaults from both the foreign gunboats and native troops of militarists. The Communists, later, withdrew to the province of Hunan (湖南省).

In October 1927 Peng Pai went bck to his hometown and staged an insurrection and established a 'soviet' in Hai Feng and Lu Feng The following month in November 1927 Mao Ze Dong set up a 'Red Army' base in Jing Gang Shan (井崗山) in the border between the two provinces of Hunan and jiangxi. Peng Pai organized a peasant army. The Hai Feng and Lu Feng soviet announced that land would be taken from the landlords and distributed to the peasants. The peasant army took control of many of the neighbouring counties.

The warlord of Guangdong province Chen Jiong Ming (陳炯明) sent troops to encircle the counties under the control of the 'soviet'. The warlord troops constantly attacked the Peasant Soviet. Eventually the peasant movement in Hailufeng was destroyed by the warlord Chen Jiong Ming.

Peng Pai escaped to Guangzhou and joined up with Zhang Da Lei (張大雷). Peng Pai took part in the Guangzhou uprising on 11 December 1927. The insurrection lasted for only three days when it was crushed by the Koumintang troops under the commander of Zhang Kui Fa (張奎發). Zhang Da Lei was killed and Peng Pai was captured by the warlord soldiers. Peng Pai was executed in 1929.

(2) Peng Yue (彭越)

Peng Yue was a general under the command of Xiang Yu (項羽) during the civil war between him and Liu Bang (劉邦). The civil war waged on for four years from 205BC to 202BC. Peng Yue was a general defending the walled-city of Peng Cheng (彭城). He defected to Liu Bang and welcomed Liu Bang into the walled-city. Peng Yue was one of the generals who helped Liu Bang to have Xiang Yu defeated. After the establishment of the Han Dynasty (漢朝 206BC to 220AD) and Liu Bang had become the Emperor Peng Yue was rwarded with the title of Liang Wang (梁王) or the Prince of the State of Liang.

Several years later there were people reported to Liu Bang that Peng Yue was planning to rebel him with the intention of establishing a kingdom. Liu Bang had Peng Yue arrested and executed with his whole family.

(3) Peng Yu Lin (彭玉麟)

Peng Yu Lin was born in the county of Hengyang (衡陽縣) of Hunan province (湖南省). He could write poetry and was an excellent artist in painting plum trees. During the period between1851AD to 1864AD he helped Zeng Guo Fan (曾國藩) in defeating the Taiping Heavenly Kingdom (太平天國). All his paintings of plum flowers are still being kept in the Art Archive in China.

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CHUNG Yoon-Ngan (鄭永元)
All rights reserved 20072004

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 Re: Your Chinese Surname
Author: Liang Yoo Chong (---.cipherkey.net)
Date:   07-20-04 18:15

I am a Hakka. My forefathers are from Meixian (Meizhou). I wish to know details of my surname "Liang", also I would like to know where my wife's surname "Yu" is derived from , her forefathers are from Ningbao. Thanks

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 Re: Your Chinese Surname
Author: CHUNG Yoon Ngan 
Date:   07-20-04 20:20

Dear Yoo Chong,

Your surname LIANG can be found in this link:

http://www.asiawind.com/forums/read.php?f=4&i=1465&t=1333 dated (01-05-04)

In my records, there are 11 surnames with Hanyu Pinyin (Mandarin) YU.
Could you show me the Chinese word or tell me the meaning of your wife's YU.

CHUNG Yoon-Ngan (鄭永元)
21072004

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 Re: Your Chinese Surname
Author: Liang Yoo Chong (---.cipherkey.net)
Date:   07-20-04 21:27

Thank you for the background of my surname "Liang". My wife's surname "Yu" is of no meaning, just a surname, many Shanghainese has this surname, as mentioed her forefathers are from Ningbo. Thanks

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 Re: Your Chinese Surname
Author: CHUNG Yoon Ngan 
Date:   07-20-04 22:40


Dear Yoo Chong,

The story is too long and it might be hard for you to follow because it is about Chinese ancient history during the Zhou Dynasty (1134BC to 256BC)
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Chinese surname Yu (余)
Yu means: remainder; extra; surplus.
The surname Yu is about 2,600 years old.

The surname Yu originated in an area referred to during the Han Dynasty (漢朝 206BC to 220AD) as the Xia Pei prefecture (下邳郡). The present day location of Xia Pei prefecture in the Pei Xian (邳縣 118.0 degree East and 34.3 degree North on the world map) in Jiangsu province (江蘇省).

In 1115BC Ji Song (姬誦) was installed as Zhou King Cheng (周成王), the second King of the Zhou Dynasty (周朝 1134BC to 256BC), who reigned until 1079BC. Zhou King Cheng delegated his younger brother Shu Yu (叔虞) to rule the State recently conquered rebellious State of Tang (唐國 present day Yicheng county 翼城縣 in Shanxi province 山西省). Zhou King Cheng bestowed upon Shu Yu the hereditary title of Hou (侯) or Marquis. Shu Yu was the known as Tang Shuyu (唐叔虞) and after him, his eldest son Ji Xie (姬燮) became the new ruler. Ji Xie renamed the State of Tang to the State of Jin (晉國), after the Jinshui (晉水) river that flowed through his domain.

Nine generations after Tang Shuyu and in 812BC, Ji Fei (姬費) became the ruler of State of Jin. Ji Fei had two sons; the elder son was called Ji Chou (姬仇) and the younger son Ji Chengshi (姬成師). Ji Fei died in 782BC and Ji Chou was installed as the ruler who died in 746BC. Ji Chou's eldest son Ji Bo (姬伯) became the ruler.

Ji Bo was the ruler of Jin who ruled Jin from 745BC to 738BC. Ji Chengshi was his uncle who was a very powerful official in the Jin Court. Ji Bo knew that sooner or later his uncle would kill him and grab the throne for himself. In order to save his own skin, in 742BC, Ji Bo relinquished the territory of Quwo (曲沃) district, almost half of the State, to his uncle. He even awarded his uncle the title of Bo (伯) or Count. Ji Chengshi became the ruler of Quwo.

In order to show his nephew, Ji Bo, that he was more powerful than him, Ji Chengshi purposely renamed his new domain as the State of Jin. By doing so there two States of Jin in the land. It would be very confusing for the citizens of the two States. To avoid confusion and to humble himself, Ji Bo voluntarily changed the name of his State from Jin to Yi (翼). Ji Bo also changed his official title from Jin Zhao Hou (晉昭侯) to Yi Zhao Hou (翼昭侯).

Four years later in 738BC Pan Fu (潘父), the Premier of Yi murdered Ji Bo. With the death of the ruler, Pan Fu thought that he had the power to do what he wanted to do. So Pan Fu planned to merge Yi with Jin. However, the people of Yi refused and they had Pan Fu killed and elected Ji Ping (姬平), the younger brother of Ji Bo, as the new ruler of Yi.

In 727BC the State of Jin attacked Yi and Ji Ping was killed in the battle. The people of Yi elected Ji Que (姬卻), the younger brother of Ji Ping as their new ruler. Immediately Ji Que launched an attack on Jin. However, the Yi forces were defeated and Ji Que fled to the State of Sui (隨國 present day Sui Xian 隨縣 in Hubei province 湖北省). Ji Guang (姬光), who was the son of Ji Que succeeded him as the ruler of Yi.

In 709BC Ji Guang attcked Jin and he was killed in the battle. A housekeeper of Ji Guang took Ji Youyu (姬由余), the baby son of Ji Guang, and fled west and settled down in the State of Qin (秦國 present day Feng Xiang county 鳳翔縣 in Shaanxi province 陜西省).

It was during the period of Spring and Autumn (春秋時代 722BC to 481BC) when Ji Youyu was a middle aged man, that in 659BC Ying Renhao (嬴任好) became the new ruler of the State Qin. He employed Ji Youyu as his military adviser. Ji Youyu helped Ying Renhao in conquering a large territory in the region east of Wei (渭) Valley.

In 641BC the State of Qin conquered and annexed the State of Liang (梁國). The following year Qin conquered the State of Rui (芮國) and in 627BC it conquered the State of Hua (滑國). In total Qin had conquered and annexed 12 States and became the hegemonic State in the west.

Ying Renhao died in 620BC and Ji Youyu resigned from his job and retired. The offspring of Ji Youyu adopted YU (余) as their surname in remembrance of their heroic ancestor Ji Youyu.

The couplet of surname Yu

源自周代, =Yuan zi Zhou dai,
望出下邳. =Wang chu Xia Pei.

It began during the Zhou Dynasty
And originated from Xiapei.
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Prominent persons produced by the Yu clan

(1) Yu Jing (余靖 1000AD to 1064AD)

Yu Jing was born in Shaozhou Qujiang (韶州曲江 present day Shaoguan Qujiang county 韶關曲江縣 in Guangdong province 廣東省) during the Song Dynasty (宋朝 618AD to 907AD). During the reign of Emperor Ren Zong Zhao Zhen (仁宗皇帝趙禎 1023AD he sat for the Palace Examination and passed with a First Graduate and became a Jin Shi (進士 or Palace Graduate). He was appointed as a high official in the Department of Works. Since he was fluent in Khitan (契丹) language he was appointed as the Ambassador to the Kingdom of Liao (遼國 915AD to 1125AD in present day Outer Mongolia and northern part of Shanxi province 山西省) for three times. He was considered by the people as one of the eight wise men in the present day province of Guangdong. He was the author of the book titled "武溪集 Wu Xi Ji".
(2) Yu Xiao Xia (余小霞)

Yu Xiaoxia was a friend of Liang Zhangju (梁章鉅 1775AD to 1849AD), the Governor of the two provinces of Jiangsu (江蘇省) and Jiangxi (江西省). Governor Liang Zhangju presented to Yu Xiaoxia a poem,

勸子勿為官所腐, =Quan zi wu wei guan suo fu,
知君欲以詩相磨. =Zhi jun yu yi shi xiang mo.

(3) Yu Huang (余煌)

Yu Huang was born in the county of Huiji (會稽) in Zhejiang province (浙江省) during the Ming Dynasty (明朝 1368AD to 1644AD). During the reign of Emperor Xi Zong Zhu Youxiao (熹宗皇帝朱由校 1621AD to 1627AD) he sat for the Palace Examination and obtained No.1 in the First Graduate and became a Zhuangyuan (狀元 Number One Scholar, title conferred on the one who came first in the highest Imperial Examination). He was appointed as an official in the armed forces.

In 1644AD the Manzhou (滿洲) from the northeast occupied the whole of northern China and established the Qing Dynasty (清朝 1644AD to 1911AD). Emperor Yi Zong Zhu Youjian (毅宗皇帝朱由檢 1628AD to 1644AD) committed suicide. Prince Lu Zhu Yihai (魯王朱以海) was defending Shaoxing (紹興) in Zhejiang province. Yu Huang was helping Prince Lu. In 1646 the Manzhou attacked Shaoxing and occupied it in no time. Prince Lu , Yu Huang and the remnant of the Ming forces escaped by boats to Zhoushan Island (舟山島). Yu Huang was drowned on the way to Zhoushan Island.
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CHUNG Yoon-Ngan (鄭永元)
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 Re: Your Chinese Surname
Author: SL Lee (---.columbus.rr.com)
Date:   07-21-04 00:02

There are plenty of surnames that sounds like 'yu' (in putonghua):
于 俞 虞 庾 餘 魚 尉 喻

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 Re: Your Chinese Surname
Author: Liang Yoo Chong (---.cipherkey.net)
Date:   07-22-04 17:50

My wife's surname "Yu" in Chinese Character "貤".

Thank You,

Liang Yoo Chong
(褽衭荻)

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 Chinese Surname YU
Author: CHUNG Yoon Ngan 
Date:   07-23-04 00:55


Surname YU (俞)
Yu means: consent.
The surname Yu is more than 3,000 years old.

The surname Yu originated in an area referred to during the Han Dynasty (漢朝 206BC to 220AD) as Hejian prefecture (河間郡). The present day location of Hejian prefecture is in Xian county (獻縣), 116.1 degree East and 38.2 degree North on the world map, of Hebei province (河北省).

Huang Di (黃帝) or the Yellow Emperor was the leader of the united federated tribes in ancient China. Huang Di employed a famous herbalist named Yu Fu (俞跗) in his administration. According to legend Yu Fu was capable of performing skin grafting and perform operations on human body.

It was believed that Yu Fu had written a book called Su Wen (素問) which was the oldest medical book in China. People say that the book is still availiable nowadays, in some of the Chinese book shops.

Su Wen was a book about Yellow Emperor asking Qi Bo (歧伯), who was a famous herbalist, all kinds of questions regarding herbal medicine. Qi Bo answered him plainly and clearly. Actually Qi Bo was the progenitor of Chinese herbal medicine.

The descendants of Yu Fu adopted YU (俞) as their surname and settled down in the region of present day Jiangling county (江陵縣) in Hubei province (湖北省).

The couplet of surname Yu is

跗醫傳世
龍眠復生

The prominent persons produced by the YU clan are

(1) Yu Wenjun (俞文俊)

Yu Wenjun was born in Jiangling of Hubei province during the Tang Dynasty (唐朝 618AD to 907AD). In 690AD a woman by the name of Wu Zetian (武則天) became the first Empress in China. Yu Wenjun wrote an essay stating his objection of having a woman on the throne. Empress Wu was angry and she banished Yu Wenjun to Lingnan (嶺南) in Guangxi province (廣西省).

(2) 俞大猷 (Yu Dayou 1504AD to 1580AD)

Yu Dayou was born in the county of Jinjiang (晉江縣) of Fujian province (福建省) during the Ming Dynasty (明朝 1368AD to 1644AD). He studied the art of war and became a erudite scholar. He passed the military examination and became a Wu Jinshi (武進士 Military Officer) during the reign of Emperor Shi Zong Zhu Houzong (世宗皇帝朱厚熜 1522AD to 1566AD). At that time Japanese pirates called Wokou (倭寇) often made raids along the coastal regions of present day provinces of Jiangsu (江蘇省), Zhejiang (浙江省), Fujian (福建省) and Guangdong (廣東省). They terrorized the people living in those regions and gave the Ming Administration a lot of trouble. Emperor Shi Zong appointed Yu Dayou the Admiral to command the naval forces in the south. In cooperation with another admirial, Qi Jiguang (戚繼光), Yu Dayou destroyed the Japanese pirates. Those forces under the command of Yu Dayou were nicknamed "The Forces of the Yu Family 俞家軍"

(3) 俞樾 (Yu Yue 1821AD to 1907AD)

Yu Yue was born in Deqing county (德清縣) of Zhejiang province (浙江省). He passed his Imperial Examination during the reign of Emperor Daoguang (道光皇帝 1822AD to 1850AD) of the Qing Dynasty (清朝 1644AD to 1911AD). He was first appointed as an editor to the Hanlin Imperial Academy (翰林院). Later he was called to serve as an official in Henan province (河南省), then in the city of Suzhou (蘇州) and then in Shanghai (上海). Several years later he resigned his post. He settled down permantly in Hangzhou city in Zhejiang province and spent his time studying the Classics. He became a lecturer in a college called Gu Jing Jing She (詁經精舍) in Hangzhou. For 31 years he was lecturing at this college. He wrote a book called Chun Zai Tang (春在堂 or the Spring is in the Hall) with more than 500 chapters.
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CHUNG Yoon-Ngan (鄭永元)
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 Chinese Surname Yan
Author: Choi Ngan (---.dsl.eclipse.net.uk)
Date:   07-26-04 00:57

Dear Mr. Chung
I will be most interested in knowing the origin of my surname as well. From what I know of, its "Yan" in pinyin meaning "Face!?".

BTW, is there any chance of knowing the ISBN number of your book(s?).

Kind regards,
Yan, Yi Cai.

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 Chinese Surname YAN
Author: CHUNG Yoon Ngan 
Date:   07-26-04 07:06

Dear Yi Cai,

The ISBN of my book "The Origin of (550) Chinese Surnames"
is 1 876763 66 3

Here is the history of your surname YAN
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Chinese surname YAN (顏)
Yan means: the countenance; the face.
The surname Yan is about 2,500 years old.

The surname Yan originated in an area referred to during the Jin Dynasty (晉朝 265AD to 420AD) as Lu prefecture (魯郡). The present day location of Lu prefecture is in the Qufu county, (曲阜縣 117.0 degree East and 35.6 degree North on the world map) of Shandong province (山東省).

After the destruction of Shang Dynasty (商朝1783BC to 1135BC) Ji Fa (姬發), the leader of the Zhou clan (周族), established the Zhou Dynasty (周朝 1134BC to 250BC). He was installed as Zhou King Wu (周武王). However, Ji Fa died in 1116BC and Ji Song (姬誦), his 12 years old son succeeded him. Ji Song was crowned Zhou King Cheng (周成王). However, Zhou King Cheng was too young to rule. Therefore the Zhou Court appointed Ji Dan (姬旦), the fourth younger brother of Ji Fa, to be the Regent.

In 1112BC Zhou King Cheng gave authority to Ji Boqin (姬伯禽), who was his first cousin brother and the eldest son of the Regent, Ji Dan, to rule a large district called Lu (魯 present day Qufu county in Shandong province 山東省) which was renamed the State of Lu (魯國). Zhou King Cheng also bestowed upon Ji Boqin inheritable title of Hou (侯) or Marquis. Ji Dan remained in the Zhou capital Hao (鎬 present day Xian 西安 city in Shaanxi province 陜西省) to rule the country on behalf Ji Song.

During the Spring and Autumn Period (春秋時代 722BC to 481BC) one of the descendants of Ji Boqin was appointed as an administrator of a place called Yan (顏present day near Qufu county in Shandong province).The offspring of this administrator adopted YAN (顏) as their surname.

The couplet of surname Yan is;

文經武緯,---Wen2 jing wu wei3,
風起較騰.---Feng qi3 jiao4 teng2

Prominent persons produced by the Yan clan

(1) Yan Zhengzai (顏徵在)

Yan Zhengzai was the mother of Confucius (孔子 or Kong Zhongni 孔仲尼). Confucius' father was called Kong He (孔紇) who was a petty offical in the district of Zou (鄒邑). Kong He married a girl by the surname of Shi (施) from the State of Lu (魯國). Kong He had many daughters but no sons. So he took a concubine who bore him a son. Unfortunately, one day his son was very sick, but he recovered. Due to his illness his son became a disabled person. Kong He by then was over 50 years old. He was very sad. He decided to marry another girl.

Kong He went to ask the hand of one of the daughtrs from a man called Yan Shi (顏氏) who had five daughters and none of them was married. Yan Shi asked his daughters who wanted to marry Kong He. All the bachelor girls were quiet. The youngest daughter called Yan Zhengzai told her father:

"女子之義, 在家從父, 惟父所命, 何問焉?
As a daughter, at home, I should obey the father, why ask?"

She then told her father that she was willing to marry Kong He. So Yan Zhengzai married Kong He who was over 50 years old.

After the marriage Kong He and Yan Zhengzai went to pray in a mountain called Ni (尼山) hoping to have a son. Several days later Yan Zhengzai discovered she was pregnant and eventually she gave birth to a baby boy. The time was 551BC. Kong He named his son Zhong Ni (仲尼). Zhong (仲) means second since the baby boy was the second son in the family. Ni (尼) was named after Mount Ni where they went to pray for a son. The baby boy's full name was Kong Zhong Ni (孔仲尼)..

(2) 顏真卿 (Yan Zhenqing 709AD to 785AD)

Yan Zhenqing was born in the county of Wannian (萬年縣) in Jiangxi province (江西省) during the Tang Dynasty (唐朝 618AD to 907AD). He pased the Imperial Examination during the reign of Emperor Xuan Zong Li Longji (玄宗皇帝李隆基 713AD to 775AD) and became a Jin Shi (進士 or the Imperial Graduate). He was appointed as an official in the Historical Department. Several years later he was promoted as a Prefecture of Ping Yuan (平原) in Shandong province.

In 755AD An Lushan (安祿山) rebelled against the Tang Dynasty. Yan Zhenqing helped the Government and had An Lushan's rebellion crushed. He was promoted the official in charge of the Historical Department. Yan Zhenqing was an excellent calligrapher. The new Emperor Su Zong Li Xiang (肅宗李享 &%^AD to 762AD) bestowed upon him the title of Lu Jun Gong (魯郡公 or the Duke of the Prefecture of Lu) and people called him Yan Lu Gong (顏魯公 or Yan the Duke of Lu). He was the author of the book titled Yan Lu Gong Ji (顏魯公集 or the Selected Works of the Duke of Lu).

This is his poem:

脫俗書成一家法,---Tuo su2 shu cheng2 yi jia fa3,
寫生卷有四時春.---Xie4 sheng juan3 you3 si4 shi2 chun.

(3) 顏回 (Yan Hui 521BC to 490BC)

Yan Hui was a student of Confucius. Out of his about 3,000 students Confucius always praised Yan Hui as the smartest student among the lot. Unfortunately Yan Hui died very young at the age of 32. People said about him:

德行非常, 駕諸賢首列.
De2 xing2 fei chang2, jia4 zhu xian2 shou3 lie4.
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CHUNG Yoon-Ngan (鄭永元)
All rights reserved 26072004

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 Re: Chinese Surname YAN
Author: Choi Ngan (---.dsl.eclipse.net.uk)
Date:   07-26-04 13:08

Dear Mr. Chung
Many thanks for the above post. As a side note, I have read through a number of other threads on this forum and notice you have done other books. Is it possible for you to post the ISBN number of the other books you have done as well?

Many thanks and kind regards.
Yan, Yi Cai.

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 Re: Chinese Surname YAN
Author: FM Liew 
Date:   07-26-04 14:16

I believe everyone will agree that Yoon Ngan has done an excellent job in promoting cultural understand in this forum..:o)

Kudos to Yoon Ngan's effort.

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 Re: Chinese Surname YAN
Author: Paul Yih (---.mia.net)
Date:   07-26-04 15:24

Absolutely :) Salute to them all --- that goes for SL also :)

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 Re: Chinese Surname YAN
Author: CHUNG Yoon Ngan 
Date:   07-26-04 22:27

Dear Yi Cai,

Other than "The Origin of Chinese Surnames" in English, I have also published two other books. They are:
(1) The Orogin of the Hakka Chinese ISBN 1 876763 25 6
(2) 73 Chinese Fables ISBN 1-9208-8430-0
book review
http://www.poseidonbooks.com/73chinese_fables.htm

The orther three books will be published soon.
They are:
(A) Zeng Guang Xian Wen (增廣賢文), an English translation.
(B) 101 Chinese Stories (in English)
(C) Hakka Folk Songs and Nursery Rhymes,
in Chinese, Hanyu Pinyin (Chinese Phonetic Transcription) and English translation.

Others will be followed. Altogether I have written 8 books since the inception of this Forum from 1994 to 2004 (from Hakka Global Network to Asiawind Forum).

CHUNG Yoon-Ngan (鄭永元)
27072004

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 Re: Chinese Surname Li
Author: Li Mei (210.19.37.---)
Date:   08-03-04 04:49

Dear Mr. Chung,

You've done a magnificent job, I give my two thumbs for you. Because of person like you, chinese culture never die.

My surname is Li (my father said the meaning is cherry fruit), can you trace my family name history.

Thank you very much.

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 Chinese Surname Li/Lee
Author: CHUNG Yoon Ngan 
Date:   08-03-04 07:01


Dear LI Mei,

Thank you for your support. Here a is the answer.
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Chinese Surname LI (李 Lee)

Li means: plum
Some of the Lis/Lees call it "The 18 sons 十八子"
And some call it "The son of wood 木子"

The surname Li is about 3000 years old.


The surname Li originated in an area referred to during the Qin Dynasty (秦朝 221BC to 207BC) as the Longxi Prefecture. The present day location of Longxi Prefecture is in Linyao county (臨洮縣103.8 degree East and 35.7 degree North on the world map) of Gansu province.

According to Chinese historical records, Gao Tao (皋陶) was the descendant of Ji Zhi (己摯) who was the son of Huang Di (黃帝) the Yellow Emperor, the legendary leader of the united tribes in ancient China. Gao Tao was employed as Da Li (大理) or Law Official in the administration of Yao Di (堯帝), another leader the federated tribes, after the Yellow Emperor. The offspring of Gao Tao inherited his official position as Da Li. They came to be known as Li Shi (理氏) and they gave themselves the surname Li (理).

Many generations after Gao Tao, during the Shang Dynasty (商朝1783BC to 1122BC) Li Zheng (理徵), one of his descendants, was employed as a Jian Guan (諫官) or legal advisor by Shang King Zhou (商紂王), the thirty-first king of Shang Dynasty. Shang King Zhou reigned from 1154BC to 1122BC.

Shang King Zhou was a wicked and cruel man, but he was a very clever and capable King and he seldom listened to his advisors. Later he married the most beautiful woman in the land. Her name was Su Daji (蘇妲己). The couple neglected the welfares of the country and lived extravagantly. Shang King Zhou built many big palaces and in the process squandered the wealth of the country. He became wicked and cruel and would kill or torture anyone who dared to criticise him on his spending.

Zhou clan (周族) lived in the Wei Valley (渭谷), west of the great bend of the Yellow River. Zhou's territory was under the jurisdiction of the Shang empire and was therefore required to send Ji Chang (姬昌), their leader, to serve in the Shang Court as an advisor and one of his sons, Ji Kao (姬考) was assigned as his assistant.

One day, Ji Chang told Shang King Zhou about the deficient financial situation of the country and advised him not to be too much of a spendthrift. Shang King Zhou was angry and imprisoned Ji Chang and had Ji Kao executed.

Ji Chang was released after three years and he returned to his homeland dying soon after. His eldest son, Ji Fa (姬發) succeeded him as the leader of the Zhou clan. Ji Fa wanted to take revenge on Shang King Zhou, but he could not do so because the Zhou clan was not strong enough to take on the Shang Dynasty.

Twelve years later in 1122BC, Ji Fa belived that his people were ready to fight
Shang King Zhou. Ji Fa wanted to challenge him in battle. Li Zheng advised Shang King Zhou not to fight, but King Zhou was furious at this suggestion. With a whim of anger he killed Li Zheng and his family.

Qi He Shi (契和氏), the wife of Li Zheng took their youngest son Li Lizhen (理利貞) and escaped to Xu (墟 present day southern region of Yi He 伊河 in Henan province 河南省), the former domain of Yi Yin (伊尹) who was the first Prime Minister of the Shang Dynasty. On the way to Xu there was no food and water for the mother and the child. Fortunately it was the Li (李) or plum season and there were plum trees in blossom along the way. Qi He Shi had to climb up the tree to pluck the sweet and juicy plums to sustain themselves. Mother and child survived by eating only plums.
The decisive battle between the Zhou people and Shang King Zhou was fought in Muye (牧野 present day Ji county 汲縣 in Henan province). The Shang army were defeated, ending of the Shang Dynasty. Ji Fa established the Zhou Dynasty (周朝1134BC to 256BC) and he was known as Zhou King Wu (周武王).

When Qi He Shi and her son settled down in Xu, Qi He Shi changed her son's surname from Li (理) to Li (李) which are homonymous, that is, having the same pronunciation but different meanings.

When Li Lizhen (李利貞) grew up he married his cousin sister Ru Chang (女昌),
the daughter of Qi He Shi's younger sister.

Eleven generations after Li Lizhen one of his descendant, Li Dan (李聃) became known as Lao Zi (老子), the founder of Taoism (道教). The great-grandson of Li Dan was Li Tan (李曇) who had two sons. One was called Li Ji (李璣) and the other Li Chong (李崇). Li Ji lived in Zhao Prefecture (趙郡) in Hebei province (河北省) and Li Chong settled down in Longxi Prefecture (隴西郡) of Gansu province (甘肅省) where it was recorded in history as the place where surname Li originated.

The couplets for surname LI is,

猶龍世澤,---You2 long2 shi4 ze2
旋馬家聲.---Xuan2 ma3 jia sheng

and

龍門世德,---Long2 men2 shi4 de2,
柱史家聲.---Zhu4 shi3 jia sheng

Famous people

(1) 李淵 (Li Yuan 565AD to 635AD)

During the period of the Dynasties of North and South (南北朝 420AD to 589AD), China was divided into ten kingdoms. In 581AD Yang Jian (楊堅) unified China and founded the Sui Dynasty (隋朝 581AD to 618AD). In 618AD Li Yuan (李淵), a general in the Sui armed forces, dethroned Yang You (楊侑) in 618, the last Emperor of the Sui and founded the Tang Dynasty (唐朝 618AD to 907AD).

(2) 李白 (Li Bai 701AD to 762AD)

Li Bai was one of the most famous poets in the Tang Dynasty. In 762AD, when he was 62-year-old, Li Bai went for a drinking party with a few friends in a boat. While cruising along a river near the present day city of Xuan Cheng in Anhui province (宣城安徽省), Li Bai was drunk. It was full moon that night and the reflection of the moon on the surface of the river was beautiful. Li Bai always loved the moon. He had written many poems about the moon. He loved the moon so much that he wanted to grab it. Off his nut (foolishly), Li Bai jumped into the river trying to scoop up the moon. With a loud splash that was the end of the famous poem. Li Bai was drowned.

(3) Li Yu (李煜 937AD to 978AD)

In 937AD Li Sheng (李昇) founded the Kingdom of Nantang (南唐 937AD to 975AD) with his capital was at Jinling (金陵 present day Nanjing 南京 in Jiangsu province). He changed the name of Jinling to Jiangning Fu (江寧府). Li Sheng died in 943AD and was succeeded by his eldest son Li Jing (李璟). He was crowned Yuanzong Emperor (元宗皇帝).

In 960AD Zhao Kuangyin (趙匡胤) founded the Song Dynasty (960AD to 1279AD)
and was crowned Emperor Taizu (太祖皇帝). Li Jing, the ruler of Nantang (南唐) died in 961 and was succeeded by his 6th son Li Yu who was a man of letters and excelled in painting and calligraphy. He was also interested in music. In 975AD, Zhao Kuang Yin, the first Emperor of the Song Dynasty attacked Nantang. Li Yu, the ruler of Nantang, surrendered without a fight. Li Yu was honoured with the title of Weiming Hou (違命侯 or the Marquis of Disobedience).

The following year Zhao Kuangyin died and was succeeded by his younger brother, Zhao Guangyi (趙光義) who was crowned Emperor Taizong (太宗皇帝 976AD to 997AD) Zhao Guangyi changed Li Yu's title to 隴西郡公 or the Duke of the Prefectire of Longxi.

In 978AD, on the night of 7th day of 7th Month , his birthday, Li Yu composed this poem and he called it "虞美人 Yu Mei Ren"
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春花秋月何時了?---Chun hua qiu yue4 he2 shi le?
往事知多少!----------Wang3 shi4 zhi duo shao4!

小樓昨夜又春風,---Xiao3 lou2 zyo2 ye4 you4 chun feng,
故國不堪回首月明中!
Gu4 guo2 bu4 kan hui2 shou3 yue4 ming2 zhong!

雕欄玉砌應猶在,---Diao lan2 yu4 qi4 ying you2 zai4,
只是朱顏改.---------Zhi3 shi4 zhu yan2 gai.

問君能有幾多愁?---Wen4 jun neng2 you3 ji duo chou2?
恰似一江春水向東流.
Qia4 si4 yi jiang chun shui3 xiang4 dong liu2!

When will the beautiful scene of spring flowers and autumn moon end?
It depends on how much you know about the past events!
The spring breeze blew on the little building last night,
When the moon is full I cannot bear to look back at the old country!

The carved balustrades and marble steps should still be there,
With a change of colour.
I ask you how much worry can you take?
It is like the water of a river flowing to the east
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Having composed this poem Li Yu asked his wife Xiao Zhou (小周) to sing. She was very sad. With tears welling up in her eyes she sang. Zhao Guangyi (趙光義) heard about it and was not happy. Li Yu gave a copy of the poem to one of his former officials who passed it around to other of his former officials. All the former of officials Li Yu felt sad when they read these lines:

故國不堪回首月明中!
Gu4 guo2 bu4 kan hui2 shou3 yue4 ming2 zhong!

問君能有幾多愁?---Wen4 jun neng2 you3 ji duo chou2?
恰似一江春水向東流.
Qia4 si4 yi jiang chun shui3 xiang4 dong liu2!

The two lines showed that Li Yu was still nostalgically thinking of his extinct country. Having heard about the reactions of Li Yu's former officials Emperor Zhao Guangyi was very angry. Knowing that Li Yu could not forget his extinct country and in future he might harbour the intention of reviving his country and rebel against the Song Dynasty, Emperor Zhao Guangyi had him killed by putting poison in his food.

When Li Yu died he was only 42 years old. Generations later people compiled Li Yu's poems and his father's poems into a book titled "The poems by the two rulers of the Kingdom of Nantang 南唐二主詞". Recently people compiled the forty odd poems by Li Yu into a book and called it "The poems by the last ruler of Nantang 李後主詞".
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CHUNG Yoon-Ngan (鄭永元)
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 Re: Chinese Surname Li/Lee
Author: naxian (210.186.183.---)
Date:   08-13-04 20:54


Hello Mr.Chung,

My surname family is Teow. I don't even know what that means. Our family are Teowcheow. I only know a little bit Chinese. Can you please help me to trace my family roots in china. I really want to know which province we came from. Do Teowcheow and Hokkiens related. Is it Teow and Teoh come from the same family foot.

TQ...

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 Chinese Surname ZHANG (Teoh)
Author: CHUNG Yoon Ngan 
Date:   08-14-04 00:01


Dear Naxian,

I am very happy to see a person like you who is interested in your roots.
Teochew Chinese surname TEOH is ZHANG 張 in Mandarin (Hanyu Pinyin 漢語拼音 or Chinese Phonetic Transcription).

This is the origin of surname ZHANG (張)

Zhang means: magnification; to establish.
People with this surname usually introduce themselves as Gong Chang (弓長) or Long Bow Zhang. Actually it should be Gong Zhang Zhang(弓長) or superior officer in charge of bows.
The surname Zhang is more than 3,000 years old.

The surname Zhang originated in an area referred to during the Han Dynasty (漢朝 206BC to 220AD) as the Qinghe prefecture (清河郡). The present day location of Qinghe prefecture is the Qinghe county (清河縣, 115.4 degree East and 38.3 degree North on the world map) of Hebei province (河北省).

The weapons used in wars during ancient times were nothing more than stones that were thrown at an opponent. Xuan Yuan (軒轅), who eventually became to be known as Huang Di (黃帝) or the Yellow Emperor, the legendary leader of the united clans before the formation kongdoms, was the first person to develop spears made of wood.

Xuan Yuan had twenty five sons. Hui (揮), his fifth son, invented a weapon by tying a vine to the two ends of a bamboo stick. Hui called it Gong (弓) or bow. Hui also invented the arrows made of bamboo strips and he used the bow and arrows to shoot and kill animals. It was also believed that he was the first man in China to use bows and arrows in battle.

According to Chinese historical records, in about 2700BC Xuan Yuan, then the leader of the Xia Clan (夏族), with the assistance of the Jiang Clan (姜族) and Yi Clan (夷族) fought a decisive battle against their mutual enemy, the Li Clan (黎族). The battle took place at Zhuo Lu (涿鹿 in present day Jie county 解縣 in Shanxi province 山西省).

The Li clan's armaments consisted of stones, which were thrown at their opponents, while Xuan Yuan's troops were using wooden spears and bows and arrows. With better weapons the troops of the clans of Xia, Jiang and Yi defeated the forces of the Li Clan even though the Li's were stronger and more numerous (footnote: it is unclear whether Xuan Yuan shared this new technology with the rest of the Xia-Jiang-Yi alliance).

Xuan Yuan was eventually installed as the Yellow Emperor and appointed Hui as Gong (弓) Zhang (長) which means "superior officer-in-charge of the production of bows". Hui adopted his official title Gong-Zhang (弓-長) as his surname.

Generations later his descendants combined the two characters of Gong and Zhang into one as their surname which was pronounced as ZHANG (張).

The couplet for surname Zhang is,

兩銘門第,---Liang3 ming2 men2 di4,
百忍家聲.---Bai3 ren2 jia sheng

By using the two radicals of Gong 弓 and Chang 長
this poem was composed.

弓力千鈞東風勁,---Gong li4 qian jun dong feng jing4,
長空萬里北斗明.---Chang2 kong4 wan4 li3 bei3 dou3 ming2.

Famous people

(1) Zhang Liang (張良)

Zhang Liang (張良) was a resident of the former State of Han (韓國) which was subjugated by the Qin First Emperor (秦始皇帝) in 230BC. Zhang Liang was a fifth generation offspring of the Prime Minister of the State of Han. Zhang Liang hated the Qin First Emperor so much that he wanted to assassinate him. He had been travelling from place to place looking for someone who could help him to kill the Qin First Emperor, the man who built the Great Wall of China. Finally, Zhang Liang found a young man, Li Canghai (黎滄海), who could help him to kill the First Emperor.

Several days later, people in town were talking about the Qin First Emperor's tour passing through the county of Yangwu county (陽武縣 in present day Henan province 省). Zhang Liang and Li Canghai went to a place called Bolangsha (博浪沙) where the Qin First Emperor and his entourage had to pass through. They were awaiting for the party to arrive. Bolangsha was about three one kilometer from the town where Zhang Liang lived. They were at the top of a little hill overlooking the main road waiting for the Qin First Emperor.

Several hours later, they saw the party approaching. Zhang Liang and Li Canghai found a big rock and they pushed it down the hill aiming at the royally decorated large carriage which they presumed was the Qin First Emperor's carriage. The impact of the big rock and the carriage produced a thundering sound. The carriage was smashed into pieces, but there was no one inside it. The Qin First Emperor emerged from one of the supplementary carriages. In order to avoid assassination the Qin First Emperor seldom travelled in the main royally decorated carriage. After a brief skirmish with the Qin soldiers Li Canghai was captured and executed on the spot.

Zhang Liang fled from the scene. In later life he helped Liu Bang (劉邦) in establishing the Han Dynasty (206BC to 220AD).

(2) Zhang Jiuling (張九齡 678AD to 740AD)

Zhang Jiuling was born in 678AD in Qujiang county (曲江縣) in the present day of Guangdong Province (廣東省). In 733AD he was appointed the Prime Minister by Emperor Xuan Zong Li Longji (玄宗皇帝李隆基 713AD to 755AD), who was the grandson of Empress Wu or Wu Ze Tian (武則天 690AD to 704AD). Some high-ranking officials wheedled Emperor Xuan Zong into having Zhang Jiuling dismissed as Prime Minister in 736AD. Emperor Xuan Zong had Zhang Jiuling banished back to his hometown in Qujiang county. Zhang Jiuling died in 740AD.

In the Ming Dynasty (明朝 1368AD to 1644AD), during the reign of Emperor Wu Zong Zhu Houzhao (武宗皇帝朱厚照 1506AD to 1521AD), the people of Qujiang county erected a memorial hall called "Qu Jiang Feng Du Lou 曲江風度樓" in honour of Zhang Jiuling. The couplet on the front door was written by Hai Ru (海瑞 1514AD to 1587AD), the contemporary statesman and scholar at that time. Here is the couplet:

當今皇室雙士,------Dang jin huang2 shi4 wu2 shuang shi4
自古天南第一人.---Zi4 gu3 tian nan2 di4 yi ren2.

On 10th November 1965, an article called "Hai Rui Dismissed From Office 海瑞罷官", was published by the People's Daily in Shanghai, criticizing a play written by Wu Han (吳含), the deputy Mayor of Beijing city. The play was called "Hai Jui (Rui) Dismissed From Office 海瑞罷官." Few people took notice about this article, but Peng Zhen (彭真), the mayor of Beijing, was annoyed by the article. Peng Zhen asked the Shanghai branch of the People's Daily who authorised that article to be published. Zhang Chunqiao (張春橋) replied that the authority was given by Chairman Mao Zedong (毛澤東主席), who wrote that article. That was the first shot of the "Red Guard Movement 紅衛兵運動."

The grave of the Tang statesman and poet Zhang Jiuling was robbed in early 1960. The government decided to unearthed it from Luoyuandong (羅源洞) in Qujiang county (曲江縣) of Guangdong province. The Hakka professor Yang Hao (楊豪) of the Guangdong University was in-charged of the excavation.

(3) Zhang Xueliang (張學良)

The young Marshall Zhang Xueliang was the commander-in-chief of the Chinese armed forces in the northeasten provinces (東北省份 or Manchuria). In September 1931 the Japanese perpetrated the notorious September 18th Incident and forcibly occupied the three provinces in China's northeast. The Chinese nation was faced with a national crisis of unprecedented gravity.

When the Japanese invaded the three provinces, Generalissimo Chiang Kai-shek (蔣介石最高帥), the commander-in-chief of all the Chinese armed forces, ordered Zhang Xueliang and his 3000,000-man northeastern army not to resist the Japanese but to withdraw to the area within Shanhaiguan (山海關 or within the Great Wall) to join in suppressing the "Communist bandits". As a result, the three northeastern provinces and 30 million people came under the iron heels of the Japanese. Soon after that, vast areas of the province of Hebei (河北省) fell into the Japanese hands. The whole of north China was endangered.

On 12th December, 1936, Zhang Xueliang kidnapped Chiang Kai-shek in Xian city in Shaanxi province (西安市陜西省), forcing Chiang Kai-shek to co-operate with the communists to resist the Japanese. Zhang Xueliang changed the course of Chinese history.
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CHUNG Yoon-Ngan (鄭永元)
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 Re: Your Chinese Surname
Author: Ming (61.149.142.---)
Date:   08-19-04 09:31

Can anyone tell me the majority people with the surname Hou2?Since i,m also from the Hou2 family,i really wish to know which dialect group have the most surname Hou2.My great grand parents came from tangshan county,hebei province.

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 Re: Your Chinese Surname
Author: Yin Wan Ren (---.vc.shawcable.net)
Date:   09-04-04 18:58

My chinese surname is Yin, I search the dictionary it said it is the anme of a county in Chekiang province. Can you help me trace its roots & true meaning of my surname.

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 Re: Your Chinese Surname
Author: daniel kun 
Date:   09-04-04 19:09

My surname is mandarin is pronounce as YinC I check the dictionary it said it is the name of a county in Chekiang province. Can you help me to find out more about this? I'm trying to trace my roots & heritage.

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 Re: Your Chinese Surname
Author: CHUNG Yoon Ngan 
Date:   09-04-04 19:22


Dear Wan Ren,

According to my records, there are four Chinese surnames with Hanyu Pinyin (Chinese Phonetic Transcription), namely :
(1) No.74 YIN (殷) meaning great; many; abundant.
(2) No.100 YIN (尹) meaning trust worthy.
(3) No.265 YIN (印) meaning a seal; a rubber-stamp.
(4) No.283 YIN (陰) meaning obscured; cloudy.

Now, please name one.

CHUNG Yoon-Ngan (鄭永元)
05092004

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 Re: Yin 蛓 surname, anybody
Author: daniel kun 
Date:   09-04-04 20:03

Anybody surname is Yin it actually this is a name of a county in Chekiang province. 蛓 I need some infotmation. I'm searching for my heritage & roots. I was originally born in Manila, Philippines. Any help will be appreciated.

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 Re: Yin Û´ surname, anybody
Author: daniel kun 
Date:   09-06-04 13:49

蛓 this Yin can you read it in your text? it is the Yin that is consider the names of a district in Chekiang province.

I'm sorry somehow the chinese text are not appearing?

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 Re: Your Chinese Surname
Author: Meidy B. Maringka 
Date:   09-21-04 02:33

I am a bit confused about how to spell my chinese name. I am totally illiterate of chinese writings.
My father is Eddy Tjoa - Tjoa Hoat Djien.
My mother is Tjioe Giok Eng Nio.
My great grandfather from my mother side is The Kiem Ie.

Meidy (Lian Hoa, Tjoa)

Meidy Maringka

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 Re: Your Chinese Surname
Author: Anna (---.bath.ac.uk)
Date:   09-21-04 06:55

Dear Chung Yoon Ngan,

Much appreciated if you could tell me the origin of the surname Liu2 (Lau in Cantonese), a common surname.

Regards,

Anna

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 Re: Chinese Surname ZHANG (Teoh)
Author: anne (---.dialup.optusnet.com.au)
Date:   10-14-04 21:42

hi
i am trying to do my family tree but it is very confussing to me .because i am not chinese but my ggggrand pop was .i an lost to where to start. i have his name and thats all he was born in the 1800s his chinese namewas (zhang bi bo) and then i found more names of his the other names are (chang bic boh)(thomas ah see )thomas gong see). i dont know which name to go by to even start . i am not sure but there are other names but i think it is his mother and father there names are ah chee and fon chow and if that is so how did he get the name (zhang bi bo)can any one help.trying to find (zhang bi bo) his right family name . i know he came from On yup china

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 Chinese Surname Sun of Tong'an county
Author: Sun ZiXiang (202.42.189.---)
Date:   10-15-04 06:33

Dear Mr.Chung,

My surname family is Sun (meaning Grandchild). I understand my ancestral village is in Tongan Fujian. Can you please help me to trace my family roots in China.

I would also like to locate my ancestral village in Tongan county as I will be travelling to Xiamen soon. Is there Genealogy resource where I can do my research?

Regards
Sun ZiXiang

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 Re: Your Chinese Surname
Author: Treizer (218.111.52.---)
Date:   10-20-04 03:27

how about 孤

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 Re: Your Chinese Surname
Author: oceanblue (---.cpe.net.cable.roger)
Date:   10-20-04 03:50

hey CHUNG Yoon-Ngan, I have the same last name as yours, which is "Ngan" (If that is your LAST name). My father was from Fujian, China originally but he was born in Indonesia and stay there for a very short period of time. We are not "Harkka" people.

If you have time, it would be nice to know where is the orgin of my last name, thanks! :)

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 Re: Your Chinese Surname
Author: Brendan Wong (---.proxy.aol.com)
Date:   10-23-04 22:35

What do my surname mean? Why it's special?

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 Re: Your Chinese Surname
Author: CHUNG Yoon Ngan 
Date:   10-23-04 23:00


There is an amateur genealogist, Erik Huang/Wong, who is an expert in Huang/Wong clan. Please write to him and I am sure he can tell you everything about surname Wong.

CHUNG Yoon-Ngan
24102004

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 Re: Your Chinese Surname
Author: Shirley Smith (---.227.166.220.dial1.denver1.level3.net)
Date:   10-28-04 04:51

My father's surname was pronounced as "Gee". How is this spelled in either Cantonese or Pinyin? I've seen it as "Ji", and "Chu". What is correct please?

Also, what does the numbering after surnames mean?

I have no way of knowing how our last name is written, as both parents are deceased. Any other way to find out origin and province my father's people are from?

Thank you very much. Also, can you reply to my email, becaue I would never be able to find your answer otherwise!

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 The Chinese surname of Shirley
Author: CHUNG Yoon Ngan 
Date:   10-28-04 05:21


Dear Shirley,

Please download or print it for future reference.

http://chungyn.webhop.net/SurnameJI.jpg

CHUNG Yoon-Ngan
28102004

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 Re: Your Chinese Surname
Author: Pat (---.cs.mu.oz.au)
Date:   10-31-04 01:58

Hi,

Literally, your surname, Wong, means "King". It's one of the most
dominating surnames in China.

Hope it helps.

Pat

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 Re: Your Chinese Surname
Author: zombie (218.14.198.---)
Date:   11-13-04 02:01

Not only most chinese overseas don't know their Chinese surname
even people who live in china like me,don't know my surname's story
Cause most of us pay not much thought on it

And may you tell me the story about wang (pingyin)

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 Re: Chinese Surname Sun of Tong'an county
Author: wzombie (218.14.198.---)
Date:   11-13-04 02:14

hello!
I live not far from Tong'an
I think you'd better look up where (which area) most of people whose's surname like you live,they have a book of famely tree recorded hunreds of years.

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 Re: Your Chinese Surname
Author: zombie (218.14.198.---)
Date:   11-13-04 02:31

As far as i know, it may have to know your ancestor's name
who first lived in your place,that can be exactly traced where you come from

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 Re: Your Chinese Surname
Author: CHUNG Yoon Ngan 
Date:   11-13-04 03:17


Go to search
all dates
type in the keyword
"chinese surname wang"
then go and look for surname WANG (King)

CHUNG Yoon-Ngan
13112004

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 Re: Your Chinese Surname
Author: YH Chiaw (---.mmm.com)
Date:   11-15-04 14:16

Hi Mr Chung,

I have tired to find out more about my own surname --- "zou" (鄒). I have read through the messages posted by you and happened to realise that my surname is actually related to another surname --- "Zhu". Does that message on the surname of "Zhu" totally explained my roots? (i.e. The present of surname "Zou" is because of Cao He changed the state name from Zhu to Zou)

I asked my father before. But he can only tell me that my grandfather was from China and that we are orignated from Dapu Hakka.

Please help me with my surname. Thank you in advance.

Regards, YH

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 Re: Your Chinese Surname
Author: CHUNG Yoon Ngan 
Date:   11-16-04 07:28


Dear YH Chiaw,

To know your surname Zou you have to write to me
and I'll give you the link to obtain the information.

CHUNG Yoon-Ngan
16112004

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 Re: Chinese Surname Sun of Tong'an county
Author: Sun (---.156ce.maxonline.com.sg)
Date:   11-16-04 09:17

Thanks wzombie

I've just returned from Xiamen, and I managed to find Sun Cuo in Jimei, with the help of the hotel staff. Apparently it is now under Xiamen county. Four generations ago, when my forefather left China, it was under Tong'an County. Instead my Mum's Xu ancestorial home is in Tong嫕, when she had always said that it was in Gulanyu. She claimed that her grandfather was a senior government official there. However, I can't find any info of any Xu family house there, and I failed to locate old cemetery that may have 'housed' any of her ancestors there or in Xiamen.

in any case I will still be doing my research, and will do another trip once I have fresh info.

Thanks again for helping.

Sun

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 Re: Chinese Surname Sun of Tong'an county
Author: Susan (---.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net)
Date:   12-08-04 01:10

Do anyone know the history or information regarding the surname Chen.
thanks.

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 Re: Your Chinese Surname
Author: Go Han Eng (---.centrin.net.id)
Date:   12-08-04 07:31

Requesting you to inform me to what clan I belong

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 Re: Your Chinese Surname
Author: Young 
Date:   12-08-04 13:33

Mine is Xue, but when my grandfather immigrated to Malaya he registered his family name as Set, which how we pronouce it in Hakka.

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 Re: Your Chinese Surname
Author: Wishing (---.156ce.maxonline.com.sg)
Date:   01-05-05 03:03

Dear CHUNG Yoon Ngan,
my surname is chua and i wan to noe where was it originated from?

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 Re: Your Chinese Surname
Author: Dr. Alvin Teoh (202.188.212.---)
Date:   01-09-05 03:50

Dear Dr. Chung,

My surname is Zhao (as in General Zhao Zi Long and Emperor Zhao Kuang Yin). To what degree I am related to them? Are all members of the Zhao surname related? What is the origin of the surname? I am Teochew. Were all Zhao-s teochew as well? How is the surname related to the City of Zhao and the Zhao Kingdom, besides similarities in Chinese characters?


Thanks,
Dr. Alvin Teoh (written as Zhao in Chinese characters, Chiu in cantonese)

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 Re: Your Chinese Surname
Author: Tham Kong Fee (203.106.116.---)
Date:   01-09-05 07:52

I would appreciate if you could kindly let me know the origin of my surname; Tham (Tan2 in Han Yin it means chat).
I'm a student and I need the info for my project paper.
Thanking you in advance.

Regards

Tham Kong Fee
Kuala Lumpur Malaysia.

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 Re: Your Chinese Surname
Author: weiling (---.156ce.maxonline.com.sg)
Date:   01-13-05 06:42

When i look at the screen i look blur as all words are stick together...please put the surnames more properly

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 Re: Your Chinese Surname
Author: estelle rubio lon (---.cable.ubr01.camd.blueyonder.co.uk)
Date:   01-17-05 12:53

my dad is spanish and his father chinese. i guess the lon has been shortened from long.Supposedly he was a sailor any info on chinese migration to spain anyone?

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 Re: Your Chinese Surname
Author: Paul Yih (---.dsl.milwwi.ameritech.net)
Date:   01-17-05 15:01

By your presence -- You can start your search as in many in here for their root search also-- The phonetic sound Long or Lon -- can mean a couple of things -- One possibility is the character "dragon" and the other possibility will be "long" as in open---- or kai long -- meaning "abierto", una persona franca --- e honesto ..:) What part of Spain are you from ? North, South ?

Mucho gusto ...Pablo

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 Re: Your Chinese Surname
Author: FM Liew 
Date:   01-17-05 19:00

I think it's "Leong".
Which is quite common among Chinese, typically the Cantonese.

Hanyu pinying is "Liang2".

Pronunciation:
Cantonese - Leong
Hakka - Leong
Fujianese - Liang
Teochew - Liang

Perhaps our dear Spanish friend can tell us a little bit more about his dad or grand-daddy's dialect group.

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 Re: Your Chinese Surname
Author: Paul Yih (---.dsl.milwwi.ameritech.net)
Date:   01-18-05 10:16

Thanks -- FM -- Indeed, that name phonetically can be going into a few different directions :)

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 Re: Your Chinese Surname
Author: Qwert (---.156ce.maxonline.com.sg)
Date:   01-19-05 06:20

Did you receive a reply?If yes pls send it to me

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 Re: Chinese Surname Tan
Author: Paul Yih (---.mad.wi.charter.com)
Date:   01-19-05 06:50

The single sound of Tan can have a variety of origins ---- It can be as simple as from the character derived as in the Tang dynasty..I am sure Chung YoonNgan can decipher some of that -- we all need to hear the original sound and try a bit more as to where your ancestors had all started from what region of China. The more of the information the better we can do some of the tracking or we will try our best.

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 Re: Your Chinese Surname
Author: CHUNG Yoon Ngan 
Date:   01-19-05 06:56

Dear Qwert, Deborah Tan Qiang and All,

Please tell the Forum the Hanyu Pinyin (Chinese Phonetic Transcription or Romanized in Mandarin) of your surnames. You live in Singapore which is a Chinese society and I am sure you know your surnames in Hanyu Pinyin. If you still don't know please ask your parents about your surnames.

Please take note that all the Chinese surnames in Malaysia and Singapore are pronounced according to dialects and not Hanyu Pinyin.

Having known your surnames, I usually scan them and tell you the links for you to download them so that you can actually see how your Chinese surnames look like.

Please tell the Forum your surnames in Hanyu Pinyin.

CHUNG Yoon-Ngan
19012005

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 Re: Chinese Surname Tan
Author: FM Liew 
Date:   01-19-05 08:32

Tan is "Chen" in Hanyu Pinyin.

Pronunciation:
Cantonese : Chan
Hakka: Chin
Fujianese: Tan
Teochew: Tan

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 Re: Chinese Surname Tan
Author: CHUNG Yoon Ngan 
Date:   01-19-05 09:19


Chinese surname CHEN (TAN):

http://www.asiawind.com/forums/read.php?f=4&i=1540&t=1540

CHUNG Yoon-Ngan
19012005

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 Re: Chinese Surname Tan
Author: Paul Yih (---.dsl.milwwi.ameritech.net)
Date:   01-19-05 09:57

FM, It is great that you have provided the many forum inquiries with those regional and dialectic options :) Thanks

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 Chinese Surname Deng
Author: Deng HanQin 
Date:   01-19-05 11:05

Hi Mr Chung,

Thank you for all the work that you are doing. I would like to find out about my surname, Deng, and its background. I know that we use cantonese at home and that my grandparents can speak & belong to the sey yap group from guangdong or is it guangzhou..?

If possible, would you post information about it. I have tried to search the forum but to no avail. I would appreciate it.

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 Re: Your Chinese Surname
Author: gilbert dela cruz (---.skyinet.net)
Date:   01-23-05 12:27

Hi everyone. This is really a great forum for people like me who really wants to know and learn more about Chinese ancestry and family history.

I was just wondering if Dr. CHUNG Yoon Ngan could tell me the meaning and origin of my ancestors' surname LIM. I wanted to be enlightened by expert and knowledgeable people like him.

Thanks.

Gilbert dela Cruz
Manila, Philippines

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 Re: Your Chinese Surname
Author: gilbert dela cruz (---.skyinet.net)
Date:   01-23-05 12:43

Hi to everyone in the forum. This is a great forum/site I just discovered lately. It is so informative and educational for anyone who wants to learn more about Chinese history and genealogy, with the expert opinion and ideas from knowleageable authors and researchers.

I was just wondering if Dr. CHUNG YOON-NGAN could possibly tell and enlighten me about the meaning and origin of my ancestors' surname which is LIM. I cannot find the book mentioned in this forum written by Dr. CHUNG YOON_NGAN in our National Library(Philippines).

Could you tell me too if the surname QUEYQUEP of Chinese origin?



THanks and more power.

Gilbert dela Cruz
Manila, Philippines

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 Re: Your Chinese Surname
Author: Martha Song 
Date:   01-24-05 03:40

Hello Gilbert,
Lim (Fujianese?),Lin(Mandarin?), Lam, Lum (Cantonese?)
Liem (Fujianese in Indonesia?).Meaning=Forest?
QUEYQUEP: The Chinese in the Philippines have traditionally
adopted their ancestors names and surnames in full as their
surnames. Hence,at a guess "QUEY" could be "KOAY" of Fujianese
origin?
Notice all those (?). I believe we have a host of more knowlegeable
people on this forum headed by Dr.CHUNG Yoon Ngan. They will
definitely provide you with more concrete information.

Good Luck
Martha

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 Re: Your Chinese Surname
Author: gilbert dela cruz (203.215.122.---)
Date:   01-24-05 12:03

Dear Martha,

Thanks for the info and appreciate very much your in-put on my query.

I am also still awaiting Dr. Chung's expert opinions and reply to my posted questions.


Gilbert.

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 Xiong
Author: Sor Xiong 
Date:   10-26-05 18:26

I think the name xiong is family not a surname. There is not clear when did the xiong clan exit. But I think the xiong nu empire and xiong chu dynasty were the miao nationality. Any one have more information, please let me know.

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