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 Chinese surname QIU (to khekmi)
Author: Yoon-Ngan CHUNG 
Date:   02-22-04 09:29


[Ask me question if you don't understand it. To understand the full history of any Chinese surname it is advisable to read the background of the ancient Chinese history in my book "The Origin of (550) Chinese Surnames". Please don't call me Dr, I am just an ordinary man like you and everyone else. However, our Administrator SL Lee is a professor with a PhD. ]

Chinese surname QIU (邱)

Qiu means: a Chinese surname.
The riddle of surname QIU is:
"I am a little soldier without the two legs, but I have a big right ear".
The surname Qiu is about 2,700 years old.

The surname Qiu originated in an area referred to during the Han Dynasty (漢朝 206BC to 220AD) as the He Nan prefecture (河南郡). The present day location of He Nan prefecture is in an area about 30 kilometers northeast of the city of Luo Yang (洛陽 112.4 degree East and 34.6 degree North, on the world map) in Henan province (河南省).

In 1122BC Zhou King Wu (周武王), destroyed the Shang Dynasty (商朝1783BC to 1122BC) and established the Zhou Dynasty (周朝 1134BC to 256BC). Jiang Zi Ya, (姜子牙), the commander-in-chief of the Zhou (周) armed forces, was subsequently rewarded by Zhou King Wu with the hereditary title of Hou (侯) or Marquis. Zhou King Wu died in 1116BC and was succeeded by his eldest son Ji Song (姬誦) who was crowned as Zhou King Cheng (周成王).

In 1112BC Zhou King Cheng gave General Jiang Zi Ya the authority to rule a large district called Ying Qiu (營丘 located in present day Dong Le county 東樂縣 in Shandong province 山東省) which was renamed the State of Qi (齊國). Jiang Zi Ya was then referred to in Chinese history as Qi Da Gong (齊大公), the founder of the State of Qi.

Six generations after Jiang Zi Ya, one of his descendants, Jiang Jing (姜靜), became the ruler of Qi. Jiang Jing moved his capital from Ying Qiu to Bo Gu (薄姑 in the present day of Lin Zi county 臨淄縣 in Shandong province). Some of the descendants of Jiang Zi Ya adopted QIU (丘) as their surname in remembrance of the nostalgia old capital.

2,800 years later, during the Qing Dynasty (清朝 1644AD to 1911AD), Ai-Xin-Jue-Luo Yun Zhen (愛-新-覺-羅 允禎) was crowned Emperor Yong Zheng (雍正皇帝) who reigned until his assassinated in1735AD. Emperor Yong Zheng was obsessed with Confucianism. The surname of Confucius was Kong (孔) and his name was Qiu (丘). Emperor Yong Zheng believed that Confucius was a sacred sage and it was blasphemous for people to use his name Qiu as their surname. So in 1726AD he issued an edict forbidding people to use the character Qiu as their surname. Emperor Yong Zheng ordered that a radical of Yi (邑) or a big ear should be added to the right side of Qiu (丘). Ultimately the modified character became Qiu (邱). From then on surname Qiu (丘) disappeared during the Qing Dynasty.

After Dr Sun Yat-Sen (孫逸仙) had overthrown the Qing Dynasty and established the Republic of China in 1912AD, some of the people with Qiu (邱) as their surname reverted back to the ancient surname Qiu (丘), but many could not be bothered to change.

The couplet for surname Qiu is,

吳興詩人領袖
洛陽武侯將軍

Famous people produced by the Qiu clan are:

(1) Qiu Feng Jia (邱逢甲 1864AD to 1912AD)

Qiu Feng Jia was born on 26th December 1864 at village of Tong Luo Wan
(銅鑼灣) in Miao Li (苗栗) of Taiwan (台灣). His parents were of Hakka origin.
He was very patriotic when he was a student. He went to Beijing city to sit for the
Imperial Examination. He passed the exam with flying colours and became a
scholar (進士). The Qing Government (清朝) wanted him to stay in Beijing and
wanted to appoint him an official in the Public Works Department. He declined the offer and returned to Taiwan and became an educationist. He lectured at Hong Wen College (宏文書院) in Taizhong (台中), Luo Shan College (羅山書院) in Tainan (台南) and Chong Wen College (崇文書院) in Jiayi (嘉義). He taught new and modern practical ideas at the colleges.

In 1894AD, China fought a war with Japan and China lost. China was forced to cede the island of Taiwan to Japan. However, the Chinese in Taiwan refused to live under the Japanese. They resisted against the Japanese occupation. Qiu Feng Jia helped to organise an army to fight against the Japanese. The army under his command was defeated by the Japanese. Eventually, Taiwan was lost to Japan. Qiu Feng Jia fled across the Starit of Taiwan to Guangdong province (廣東省). He was appointed the departmental head of the educational centre of Mei Chao
(梅潮興學務). He never give up hope of recovering Taiwan back to the Motherland.
The reason he gave for lossing Taiwan to Japan was:
"人民缺乏教育﹐ 不知國族關係" . He recognized that the citizens must be eductaed
in order to save the country; "乾坤蒼莽正風塵﹐力挽狂瀾仗要人”。

In 1897, Qiu Feng Jia returned to his ancestors' county of Jiao Ling (蕉嶺) to establish schools so that children from the remote villages could access to education. He lectured at the Han Shan College (韓山書院) in Chaozou
(潮州), at the Dong Shan College (東山書院) in Chaoyang county (潮陽縣) and
at the Jing Han College (景韓書院) in Chen Hai county (澄海縣) in the province of Guangdong (廣東省).

In 1899, he and his younger brother, Qiu Shu Jia (丘詩五) and Yang Shou Yu (楊守愚) founded a modern "Western Type" college called "Dong Wen 東文學堂" at Zhen Peng (鎮平) in Chaozhou (朝州)。In 1900 Qiu Feng Jia went to Hong Kong, Malaya and Singapore to raise fund to support the college. In 1901, he and Wen Zhong He (溫仲 和), He Shou Peng (何壽朋), Wen Dan Ming (溫丹銘) and a few others went to Shantou (汕頭) and established Ling Dong Tong Wen College (嶺東同文學堂).
It was a Westernized College. In 1903 he returned to his ancestors' place of Jioa Ling (蕉嶺) and established a junior teacher training college for training primary schools teachers. He also founded a government subsidized high school (the present day Jiao Ling High School 今蕉嶺中學) in the town of Zhen Ping (鎮平).

Qiu Feng Jia also established a high school in Xing Ning (興寧) called Xing Ning High School where he became the principal. He founded a high school in each of these counties; Mei Xian (梅縣中學), Wu Hua (五華縣), in Guangdong province,
Shang Hang (上杭縣) and Wu Ping (武平縣) in Fujian province.

In 1906, Cen Chun Xuan (岑春萱), the Governor of the provinces of Guangdong and Guangxi (廣西省), invited Qiu Feng Jia to become the Educational Director and the chief Educational Supervisor of the two provinces. In 1908 Qiu Feng Jia was elected the president of the Association of Education (廣東省教育總會會長) of Guangdong province. When the Education Department was established in Guangdong province, Qiu Feng Jia became its first Director.

Qiu Feng Jia was a follower of Dr Sun Yat-Sen. After the establishment of the Republic of China in 1912 Qiu Feng Jia changed his name to Qiu Cang Hai
(丘倉海) and became the Minister of Education in the Revolutionary Government in Guangdong province. He went to Nanjing (南京) to take part in the formation of the Government of the Republic of China. He was taken ill and he returned to his ancestors' village Dan Ding (淡定村) in Jaio Ling county (蕉嶺縣), where he died of liver cancer, aged 49.

During his life time he had written several books. The most popular one was
Ling Nan Hai Ri Lou Shi Chao (嶺南海日樓詩抄).

(2) 丘行恭 (Qiu Hang Gong)

Qiu Hang Gong was from Luo Yang (洛陽) in Henan province (河南省) and lived during the Tang Dynasty (唐朝 618AD to 907AD). He excelled in archery and was promoted by Emperor Gao Zong (高宗皇帝 reigned 650AD to 683AD) as a general and was appointed the governor of the provinces of Shaanxi (陜西省) and Shanxi (山西省).

(3) 丘濬 (Qiu Jun)

Qiu Jun was from Qiong Shan county (瓊山縣) of Guangdong province (廣東省). He graduated as a scholar (進士) during the reign of Emperor Jing (皇帝景 reigned 1450AD to 1458AD) of Ming Dynasty (明朝). He had written many books and the most famous one was 大學衍義補). After his death he was posthumoused by the Emperor as Wen Zhuang (文莊) or the village of literature.
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CHUNG Yoon-Ngan (鄭永元)
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Yoon-Ngan CHUNG

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 Re: Chinese surname QIU (to khekmi)
Author: khekmi (---.singnet.com.sg)
Date:   02-22-04 20:32

Dear Mr Chung,

Thank you so much. Deeply appreciate your effort and.....wow so fast. Was General Jiang Zi Ya also a Prime Minister to Zhou Dynasty? - heard from some older kinsmen. Something I am curious too - how come there are so many dialect groups branching from same surname?

Many thanks

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 Re: Chinese surname QIU (to khekmi)
Author: Yoon-Ngan CHUNG 
Date:   02-22-04 21:17


Jiang Zi Ya was the commander-in-chief of the armed forces of the Zhou clan. Ji Fa was the leader of the Zhou clan. After overthrowing the Shang Dynasty (1783BC to 1122BC) Ji Fa established the Zhou Dynasty (1134BC to 256BC).

As you are living in Singapore go to the Tiger Balm Garden and look for the figurine of an old man fishing patiently with a 'straight hook'. That old man was Jiang Da Gong (alias Jiang Zi Ya). He was your ancestor whose offspring adopted Qiu as his surname.

As Jiang Da Gong was a wise and patient man Ji Fa engaged him to lead his army.

CHUNG Yoon-Ngan
22022004

Yoon-Ngan CHUNG

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 Re: Chinese surname QIU (to khekmi)
Author: khekmi (---.singnet.com.sg)
Date:   03-03-04 11:59

Dear Mr Chung,

I have been asking for more info about my roots. They shown me in the record that Jiang TaiGong was not only general but 'di 1 tai guo chui' in mandarin (something like first generation..among kingship but not king - guo chui is like king). Its interesting but confusing. I noticed that there were 7 or 8 surnames migrated together to the south.

Regards

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 Re: Chinese surname QIU (to khekmi)
Author: SL Lee 
Date:   03-03-04 12:21

I suggest all those who want to know the history of their surnames buy the book from Mr. Chung. He simply cannot afforsto answer all the questions raised by everyone.
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SL Lee

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 Re: Chinese surname QIU (to khekmi)
Author: Yoon-Ngan CHUNG 
Date:   03-03-04 15:08


As I have told you before you have to read the ancient historical background of China in my book in order to fully understand the origin of the 550 Chinese surnames in my book. Through experience I discover that most of you do not know much about Chinese ancient history. My book describes in detail the Yellow Emperor and the inceptions of the dynasties of Xia, Shang, Zhou and Qin as well as the 12 powerful States during the periods of Spring and Autumn, and the Warring States. Almost all the Chinese surnames originated during these two periods. I explain in details the formation and the extinction of these 12 powerful States. A professor and many scholars from Taiwan told me that it was their first time that they had read about them in such deatil. You don't see many books about Chinese surnames in English. By the way, there is a biography of Jiang Da Gong in my book.


You also can read which are the surnames that came from the same ancestors. Actually I am too busy writing that I have no time to sell my first two books. However, my third book will be available in Australia bookstores and my publisher. Money is not my aim to write all these books. My purpose is to convey the Chinese culture, in English, to Westerners particularly those Overseas Chinese who read only English.

CHUNG Yoon-Ngan
03032004

Yoon-Ngan CHUNG

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 Re: Chinese surname QIU (to khekmi)
Author: Vincent Shia (---.its.monash.edu.au)
Date:   03-04-04 06:41

To Chung Yoon Ngan

When is your book about Chinese surnames is going to be available in Australia?

Regards,
Vincent

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 Re: Chinese surname QIU (to khekmi)
Author: Yoon-Ngan CHUNG 
Date:   03-04-04 07:43



It was published in 2000 and it is still available from me. I should have asked the publisher to market it for me. I am so busy writing that I have no time to sell it. I do not have many copies left now. If you are interested please give me your email address and I will write to you for your postal address.

CHUNG Yoon-Ngan
04032004

Yoon-Ngan CHUNG

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 Re: Chinese surname QIU (to khekmi)
Author: khekmi (---.singnet.com.sg)
Date:   03-04-04 09:21

Sorry fellows I am not sure how much are those books cost, but I am not buying it not because I am not interested but because I can't afford to own any. I am trying to look for it in the public library reason why taking it so long to read them - simply can't find yet.

Some may laugh at how silly I am. Alright! I flash my card like Andries that I am professionally trained. Having owned, changed in every two years and driven Jaguar and Benz' etc; living in 3 storeys landed property but ended just like a hawker.
Like one of my friend who holds PhD who worked in one of Indonesia's MNCs, unable to endure thru' crisis, collapsed. Back to Singapore, unable to secure a simple job.

At my prime, I couldn't be bother about mandarin, hakka, religion and my roots. I don't care a damp...but a turn of fate or is there a god? I believe so. So unfortunate, I turned to various clans' association but they are fighting among themselves for various reasons. Getting no help I chance upon this site and now seeing the similar incidences. My very first post was challenged by Wong etc. Just like stepping into the temple hall without my shoes and keeping their rules yet challenged by the host to take off my socks. But the nuns are having their socks on.

As a hakka and with Jiang's spirit I will quote just like that American general who fought in Phillipines - I'll be back.

Just got a hold of jiabu:- I have clarified from it that Jiang TaiGong got 3 sons and a daughter. He was a premier and his daughter was the Empress. There were 8 surnames migrated together to the south at AD306-313. I am still interested to search and learn more but......

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 Re: Chinese surname QIU (to khekmi)
Author: Andries (212.67.162.---)
Date:   03-04-04 09:57

Dear Khekmi,

Sorry to hear from your misfortune.
Nobody will laugh at you

With all my sympathy,
Andries

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 Re: Chinese surname QIU (to khekmi)
Author: Yoon-Ngan CHUNG 
Date:   03-04-04 09:58


Dear khekmi,

Please don't take it too seriously.

Under heaven all men are brothers.

Give me you email address and I will write to you. I'll see what I can do. I have been in the Forum for 11 years since its inception and the Forum has never made anyone angry.

Sincerely

CHUNG Yoon-Ngan
04032004

Yoon-Ngan CHUNG

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 Re: Chinese surname QIU (to khekmi)
Author: Andries (212.67.162.---)
Date:   03-05-04 03:48


Dear all,

The following is an interesting link to a (brief) article about the origin of Chinese Surnames

http://www.chinavista.com/culture/letters/surnames.html

Regards,
Andries

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 Re: Chinese surname QIU (to khekmi)
Author: Yoon-Ngan CHUNG 
Date:   03-05-04 04:19


Dear Andries,

The origin of this article in your link was written by me.Someone copied it and changed a bit of the article. I think this person does not know how to write Chinese because he does not display all the Chinese words.

Before I published my book, "The Origin of (550) Chinese Surnames" I discovered that all my works had been plagiarized by people all over the world particularly in the city of Chongqing China, Britain, and USA and many other places. People were selling my works for money before I published my book. My friend in Australia here bought a copy of the history of his surname from USA and he showed it to me. My publisher threatened them with legal action unless they had all my works deleted from their companies websites

I used to post all the history of Chinese surnames to Hakka Forum. Seeing people are selling my works for money I asked Dr. SL Lee to delete all my posts on the history of Chinese surnames.

Other than Chinese surnames many of my works have been plagiarized too. Occasionally I will come my articles not writen by me but by a stranger. I am too busy writing nowadays I don't care much about them. On second thought it is good for Chinese culture.

CHUNG Yoon-Ngan
05032004

Yoon-Ngan CHUNG

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 Re: Chinese surname QIU (to khekmi)
Author: Yoon-Ngan CHUNG 
Date:   03-05-04 04:41


Dear Andries,

This is only a part of the origin of my article which is about 20 pages long

About Chinese surnames
關 於 華 人 的 姓 氏

Long ago, before Huang Di (黃帝) or the Yellow Emperor, people living in
the land of what we now call China already had surnames to identify
themselves. At that time it was a maternal society (母系公社). People knew
only their mothers and they did not whom their fathers were.

Surname is called Xing (姓) in Chinese. Xing is a combination of two radicles:
Nu (女 female) and Sheng (生 produce), that is females produce children.
Children followed their mothers' surnames because they did not know their fathers. Legend has it that, only after Fu Xi Shi (伏羲氏), whose surname name was Feng
(風 or wind), had established rules of marriages that children knew their fathers and they began to follow their surnames.

During the Dynasties of Xia (夏朝 2205BC to 1766BC), Shang (商朝 1783BC to 1122BC) and Zhou (周朝 1134BC to 256BC) people already had Xing
(姓 surnames) and Shi (氏 family name). Xing derived from the village where a person lived or his particular tribe. Shi could be a title bestowed upon a person
by the ruler, the official position a person was holding or a posthumous title given
by a ruler.

For a commoner he had Xing and Ming (名 name) but he had no Shi (氏). For
an aristocrat he had a surname, Shi and a name. A female and a male having
the same Shi were allowed to get marry. However, traditionally, if they
shared the same surname they were forbidden to intermarry because they
were supposedly shared the same ancestor. It was, and even nowadays,
considered mildly incestuous for a couple sharing the same surname to
marry. Evidences had showed that a same surname couple could produce
inferior offspring.

During the reign of Li Shi Min (李世民 627AD to 649AD) of Tang Dynasty
(618AD to 907AD) an official by the name of Gao Shi Lian (高士廉) compiled
all the surnames he could find at that time into a book entiled "Shi Zu Zhi
氏族志 or The Annal of the Clans". The administration of Li Shi Min used this
book as a guide for marriages and for admittance to government offices.

Bai Jia Xing (百家姓) or common people's surnames (or many people like to
call it 'hundred family surnames') written by an anonym during the Song Dynasty (960AD to 1279AD) was the most common book on surnames ever written. It has 408 single chracter surnames and 30 double character surnames. Nowadays
there are more than 5,000 Chinese surnames. My book "The Origin of Chinese Surnames 華人姓的來源" contains the most common 550 of them.

Many countries have the most three common surnames. In Britain the three
most common surnames are: Smith, Jones and Williams. The three most common
surnmames in U.S.A are: Smith, Johnson and Carson; in France: the Martin,
Bernard and Dupont; in Germany: Schultz, Mueller, and Shmidt and in
Russia: the Ivanov, Vasiliev, Deternov. What about China? Well, there are
four most common surnames in China: the Zhang (張), Wang (王), Li (李) and
Zhao (趙). There are more than 100 millions Chinese with the surname Zhang
and another 100 millions with surname Wang. Surnames Zhang and Wang
could be the most common surnames in the whole world.

It was estimasted that;
forty percent of the Chinese or 400 million are with these ten surnames:
Zhang (張), Wang (王), Li (李), Zhao (趙), Chen (陳), Yang (楊),
Wu (吳), Liu (劉), Huang (黃), and Zhou (周).

More than ten percent or 100 million Chinese are with these surnames:
Xu (徐), Zhu (朱), Lin (林), Sun (孫), Ma (馬), Gao (高), Hu (胡), Zheng
(鄭), Guo (郭) and Xiao (蕭).

About ten percent of the Chinese share these ten surnames: Xie (謝), He
(何), Xu (許), Song (宋), Shen (沈), Luo (羅), Han (韓), Deng (鄧), Liang
(梁) and Ye (葉).

The following fifteen surnames are also being shared by about ten percent
Chinese: Fang (方), Cui (崔), Cheng (程), Pan (潘), Cao (曹), Feng (馮),
Wang (汪), Cai (蔡), Yuan (袁), Lu (盧), Tang (唐), Qian (錢), Du (杜),
Peng (彭) and Lu (陸).

In other words, more than seventy percent or 700 million of the Chinese in
the world are sharing the above forty five surnames. On the contrary, only
about thirty percent of the Chinese sharing the rare 4,900 surnames like:
Miao (苗), Mai (麥), Yue (岳), Si-Ma (司-馬), Ou-Yang (歐-陽), Mao (毛)
etc etc.
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CHUNG Yoon-Ngan (鄭永元)
All rights reserved 2002

Yoon-Ngan CHUNG

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 Re: Chinese surname QIU (to khekmi)
Author: Yoon-Ngan CHUNG 
Date:   03-05-04 05:27


Dear Andries,

This is another link of my article in Chinese Culture Forum:

http://www.com/forums/read.php?f=2&i=532&t=532

CHUNG Yoon-Ngan
05032004

Yoon-Ngan CHUNG

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 Re: Chinese surname QIU (to khekmi)
Author: Andries (212.67.162.---)
Date:   03-05-04 05:31

Dear Yoon-Ngan,

It is a shame that people plagiarize you without giving you the credit. I know that your aim is not financial gain but I can understand that appreciation and acknowledgement would make you feel happier. Anyhow in this Forum you find a lot of admirers and I hope that this a stimulation for you.

Regards,
Andries

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 Re: Chinese surname QIU (to khekmi)
Author: Andries (212.67.162.---)
Date:   03-05-04 07:32

Dear Yoon-Ngan,

The link brought me to a kind of surch site where only members have access to

Greelings,
Andries

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 Surname Li in Dongguan
Author: SL Lee 
Date:   03-05-04 07:46

I can't find the post Yoon-Ngan asked about the origin of Li's in Dongguan. I mentioned that a Li came to Dongguan according to the genealogy, and there were two Dongguan in Chinese history, one in Shadong, and one in Guangdong. I thought it was in East Jin era, then it could not be Shandong, which was not under East Jin's territory. So I thought it should mean the Dongguan in Guangdong. On re-examination of the article again, I think it probably meant West Jin, which still had Shandong under it. Thus, that Dongguan was not the same Dongguan in Guangdong. If this is the case, then the search for origin must start over again.


There is one version that the Li's in Fujian all started with Li Huo De ('fire' 'virtue'), who did not have children until he was 70. He had quite a few kids after and all the Li's in Fujian and probably Guangdong came from him.
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SL Lee

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 Re: Surname Li in Dongguan
Author: SL Lee 
Date:   03-05-04 08:04

I did some more research.

I am pretty sure now the Dongguan in Jin meant the one in Shandong, not Guangdong. Dongguan in Jin dynasty was a county near Xuzhou. The reason is all the other names mentioned during that period were in or near Shandong and not Guangdong.
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SL Lee

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 Re: Surname Li in Dongguan
Author: Yoon-Ngan CHUNG 
Date:   03-05-04 08:18


Dear SL Lee,

I am going to send you a book titled 李氏春秋 Li Shi Chun Qiu.
The whole book is about surname LI (李) and it is 90 pages thick.
All these years I did not know that you were tracing surname Li (李).
Erick Huang bought a copy for his surname from me. The book on
surname HUANG (黃) is more than one hundred pages thick. Now Eric
is a full bottle of surname Huang. He is going to be a great genealogist.

CHUNG Yoon-Ngan (鄭永元)
05032004

Yoon-Ngan CHUNG

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 Re: Surname Li in Dongguan
Author: Yoon-Ngan CHUNG 
Date:   03-05-04 09:33

Li Yu (李煜), Dr. SL Lee's ancestor, the last ruler of Nan Tang
(南唐 937AD to 975AD), composed this poem titled "虞美人 Yu Mei Ren"
[Please Big 5 Traditional to view the poem]

春花秋月何時了, 往事知多少?
小樓昨夜又春風, 故國不堪回首月明中.

雕欄玉砌應猶在, 只是朱顏改.
問君能有幾多愁, 恰似一江春水向東流.

[my favourite poem]
Having composed this poem he asked his wife 小周后 to sing. She was very sad. With tears welling up in her eyes she sang. Their captor, having heard her singing, the second Emperor of Song Dynasty, Zhao Guang Yi (趙光義) was very angry. Knowing that Li Yu was still nostalgically dreaming of his extince country, the Emperor had Li Yu killed by putting poison in his food.

CHUNG Yoon-Ngan (鄭永元)
05032004

Yoon-Ngan CHUNG

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 Re: Surname Li in Dongguan
Author: SL Lee 
Date:   03-05-04 09:40

Dear Yoon-Ngan,

Hold the plate. Not so fast. :)

I am not sure I have anything to do with Li Yu. In fact the surname Li(Lee) has been proliferated by the awarding of the emperor's name to courtiers, many were not Li's by blood. The famous inkstick maker Li Ting Gui was originally named Xi Ting Gui. His inkstick was highly praised by the emperor to earn him the surname.

Li is probably the most difficult one to trace because of this complexity.
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SL Lee

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 LI BAI - the Tang poet
Author: Yoon-Ngan CHUNG 
Date:   03-05-04 10:11


Especially during the Tang Dynasty 唐朝 618AD to 907AD) where many officials and generals were honoured to change their surnames to LI (李) sharing the same surname as the Emperors.

According to my book:

when Li Li Zhen (李利貞) grew up he married his cousin sister Ru Chang (女昌),
the daughter of his mother's younger sister.

Eleven generations after Li Li Zhen one of his descendant, Li Dan (李聃) became known as Lao Zi (老子), the founder of Taoism (道教). The great-grandson of Li Dan was Li Tan (李曇) who had two sons. One was called Li Ji (李璣) and the other Li Chong (李崇). Li Ji lived in Zhao Prefecture (趙郡) in Hebei province (河北省) and Li Chong settled down in Long Xi Prefecture (隴西郡) of Gansu province (甘肅省) where it was recorded in history as the place where surname Li originated.

And this 詩仙 LI Bai (李白)

Li Bai was born in 701AD during the reign of the first and only powerful female
ruler in China, Empress Wu Zetian (武則天) whose real name was Wu Ying
(武嬰). The birth place of Li Bai was Suiye (碎葉) in Anxi county (安西縣) of
Gansu province (甘肅省). The present day of Sui Ye is in the Lake of Balkhash
in Kazahstan. Since Li Bai was born there, many people mistook him of Turkish descent or at least some Turkish blood (胡人).

Li Bai's original ancestral home was in Qinglian of Sichuan province (青蓮四川省).
Li Bai's ancestor (great-grandfather, I think) was bannished by the authority of the Sui Dynasty (隋朝 589AD to 618AD) to Suiye which was then under the jurisdiction of Sui Dynasty Authority. When Tang Dynasty (唐朝 618AD to 907AD) was established by Li Yuan (李淵) or Emperor Gao Zu (高祖) amnesties were granted
to all those who were ostracized from the homelands. The outcasts were free to return home at any time as they wished.

Li Bai's father was called Li Ke (李客), a rich business man. When Li Bai's mother was in full term pregnancy with him, one night, in her dream, she saw the star of Venus (太白星) shining brightly. A few weeks later Li Bai was born. Li Bai's parents named him after the star of Venus. So he was called Li Taibai (李太白) and his
given name was just Bai (白). He called himself Li Bai. Years later, Li Bai had a little sister and his father named her Yueyuan (月圓 round moon or full moon). When Li Bai was 5-year-old Li Ke took his family and returned to their ancestral home Qinglian village (青蓮鄉) in Zhangming county (彰明縣) of Jinzhou (錦扛7b) in present day Sichuan province (四川省).

Li Bai grew up and educated in his hometown by an educational system of the Dynasties of Han and Wei (漢朝與魏朝教育制): 五歲學六甲﹐十歲觀百家) When he was 15-years-old he heard of a hermit, a master of martial art, by the name of Jing Zhigao (景之杲), who lived in the mountain of Douchui (竇圌山), quite far from his home. He took a sword and went up the mountain to seek for master Jing Zhigao.
There were snakes, tigers and many harmful animals in the mountain. Eventually,
he found master Jing Zhigao who accepted him as a pupil. Li Bai learned martial
art from master Jing for about a year before he returned home.

Li Bai continued to study all sorts of literature books and he was already very good in writing poems (Xie Shi Zuo Fu 寫詩作賦). Li Bai did not sit for any governmental examinations. He considered it was too troublesome to sit for any examinations.

In 725AD, during the reign of Emperor Xuan Zong (玄宗), Li Longji (李隆基), the famous Tang Minghuang (唐明皇), Li Bai left home to seek for a living and began his wandering life.

After touring places for three years (remember his father was a very rich
businessman) he arrived in Anlu in Hubei province (安陸 湖北省). He was 27 years-old when he married the granddaughter of Xu Yushi (許圉師), the former
Prime Minister in the administration of Li Shi (李治), Emperor Gao Zong
(高宗 650AD to 683AD). He named his eldest son, Ming Yuenu (明月奴). That was why many of his poems are about the moon which he loved. His other son was called Po Li (頗黎), the name of a type of crystal stone (水晶石). Although still travelled a lot after marriage yet most of the time he stayed in An Lu as a family man

When Li Bai was about 35-year-old he left home and travelled to Tai Yuan (太原 present day Tai Yuan city in Shanxi province 山西省). Li Bai arrived in Tai Yuan during the summer and put up with his friend Yuan Canjun (元參軍). Li Bai toured
all the interesting places around Tai Yuan. In Autumn, Li Bai left Tai Yuan for Qi Lu (齊魯 present day Shandong province 山東省). In Qi Lu he spent most of his time in these two places of Ren Cheng (任城 present day Ji Ning 濟寧) and Sha Qiu (沙邱 present day Yi Xian 掖縣). He bought a house in Sha Qiu where he lived there for a long time.

Here in Sha Qiu he befriended Kong Chaofu (孔巢父), Han Zhun (韓準), Pei Zheng (裴政), Zhang Shuming (張叔明) and Tao Mian (陶沔). The six of them lived in Zu Laishan (俎徠山) in the south of Tai Shan (泰山). People nicknamed them the "Zhu Xi Liu Yi 竹溪六逸".

He left Qi Lu and went touring to the present day provinces of Jiangsu (江蘇省), Anhui (安徽省) and Zhejiang (浙江省). After all these years he began to have a
clear picture about politics. Emperor Xuan Zong admied his literary talent and in 742AD called him to come to Changan to work for him. Li Bai had never set foot
on the capital. He was very happy to be called by the Emperor to Changan. Li Bai though he could show his literary talent while he was in Changan. He was quickly disappointed by being offered as an ordinary employee but an official in the Han
Lin Academy (翰林院) or the Imperial Academy.

Li Bai was disappointed by being employed by as an ordinary employee, a Gong Feng (供奉, but an official in the Han Lin Academy (翰林院) or the Imperial Academy. Other than working as an attendant (侍從), Li Bai befriended many people, like He Zhizhang (賀知章), Cui Suizhi (崔祟之), Chao Heng (晁衡) and
many others. At their leisure they drank they talked on all kinds of subjects
(談天說地).

Staying for three years in Changan was more than enough for him, Li Bai
resigned and went back home to his family in Ren Cheng in Shandong
province (任城在山東省). For the rest of the years he went touring to the
places like; Guang Ling (廣陵 present day Jiang Du county 江都縣), Jin Ling
(金陵 present day Nanjing city) in Jiangsu province (江蘇省), Xuan Cheng
(宣城) in Anhui province (安徽省) and many other places, until he was
55-year-old when he met Prince Yong Lin (永王璘) in mountain Lu Shan (廬山).

Prince Yong Lin formed an army trying to overthrow his elder brother Li Heng
(李亨) or Emperor Su Zong (肅宗 756AD to 762AD) and Li Bai was asked to become one of his advisors. The rebellious army of Prince Yong Lin was
crushed the following year. Li Bai was arrested and imprisoned in Xun Yang
(潯陽 present day Jiu Jiang city 九江市 in Jinagxi 江西省). One of his best
friends, Du Fu (杜甫), wrote poems on how he missed Li Bai as an intimate
friend; poems like Meng Li Bai (夢李白) and,Tian Mo Huai Li Bai (天末懷李白)
or I dreamed of Li Bai (see Tang Shi San Bai Shou 唐詩三百首). Du Fu was
angry over the banishment of Li Bai and he wrote:

冠蓋滿京華﹐斯人獨僬悴
孰云網恢恢﹐將老申反累。

(Du Fu met Li Bai in 744AD in Luoyang 洛陽. Together they went touring for
two years. They departed from each other in Lu Jun 魯郡 in Shandong province)
Although he was bailed out from the prison by his friends, Li Bai was ostracized
to Ye Lang (夜郎 present day Tong Zi 桐梓 in Guizhou province (貴州省). At the
age of 60 he was rehabilitated and he returned home in Ren Cheng.

In 762AD when he was 62-year-old, Li Bai went for a drinking party with a few friends in a boat. While cruising along a river near the present day city of Xuan Cheng in Anhui province (宣城安徽省), Li Bai was drunk. It was full moon that night and the reflection of the moon on the surface of the river was beautiful. Li Bai always loved the moon. He had written so many poems about the moon. He loved the moon so much that he wanted to grab it. Off his nut (foolishly), Li Bai jumped into the river trying to scoop up the moon. With a loud splash that was the end of the famous poem. Li Bai was drowned. His best friend Li Yangbing (李陽冰) buried
him in a rocky place called Cai Shiji (采石磯) near the river in which he was drowned
Since then, there were many scholars came to his grave to pay him respect. Many of them scribbled peoms on his grave. His stony grave was covered with poems.

During the reign of Zhu Yijun (朱翊鈞), Emperor Shen Zong (神宗), of Ming Dynasty (明朝 1368AD to 1644AD), there was a poet by the name of Mei Zhihuan (梅之渙) who went to Li Bai's grave to pay respect to the great Tang poet. Mei Zhihuan did not like any of the poems on Li Bai's grave. So he composed one poem next to
all those poems which were written hundreds of years ago. He wrote:

采石江邊一堆土﹐李白之名高千古﹔
來來往往一首詩﹐魯班門前弄大斧。

On Cai Shi's riverbank stands a mound
Great Li Bai's fame forever to astound
But poems from callow poets upon his grave are scored
Like showing off one's axemanship in front of Lu Ban's door

Cai Shi 采石 means 采石磯 the place where Li Bai was buried. Lu Ban 魯班
was the famous architect during the Autumn and Spring Period (春秋時代
722BC to 481BC) of Zhou Dynasty (周朝1134BC to 256BC).

CHUNG Yoon-Ngan (鄭永元)
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Yoon-Ngan CHUNG

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