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 What was the Emperor Shunzi Like?
Author: erwin (165.21.246.---)
Date:   12-18-01 22:48


The Emperor ShunZi( 1644-1661) first Emperor of the Qing dynasty was a human and compassionate man who was prepared to adopt confucian modes of system of government as well as being accomodating in addressing former Ming subjects who ,after Beijng had falled to Li zhi zhen and a power vaccum had resulted with various claimants to the ming dynasty throne by the southern Ming princes, and chinese scholars and generals who fianlly decided to work for the sake for stability ,peaceand progress and to avoid further suffering of the people, with respect which was preceded by the Ming,The Qing were nore cosmopolitan than the Yuan, they were preared to share power with the former Ming loyalists, int he capital there was a on to one ratio in the system of government in the civil as well as military, the only shortcoming was the adoption of the Manchu Pig tail which every chinese male had to aclimatized to, but it was a small price to pay as the Manchu rulers had given more that they ahd taken, Good and righteous Emperors of the Qing Dynasty were Shunzhi, Kangxi,YongZhen and Qianlong , Emperor ShunZhi had a roman Catholic Adviser , a Jesuit Priest by the name of Adam Schall Von Bell whow as given an adivsory role in government, the first Roman Catholic Church Missions was opened in Beijing under the auspices of The Emperor ,it was only in 1657 that the Emperor turned increasingly to Chan Buddhism. The Emperor had passed away at the tender age of 24 of small pox ,a year after his Empress had passed away.The Emperor was a good and kind man, an emperor;s reign is based on how the system is applied to be able to benefit the people and empire.

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 Re: What was the Emperor Shunzi Like?
Author: Lau Guan Kim (---.starhub.net.sg)
Date:   12-19-01 18:32

What could a child emperor be like?

Perhaps we should ask what his uncle was like.

I understand the emperor died at the age of 22, not 24. Small pox, was it?

At least he had the luck to rule for some fifteen years, as a puppet of his uncle.

Aisingoro Puyi, the last Qing emperor, was also a child emperor. This time it was the aunt Cixi pulling the strings. Any similarity here with your adulation of Shunzhi?

The question here is what legacy can a child/boy emperor leave behind?

Maybe we sould delve more on the puppeteers behind the child, the latter who often than not wet his pants while the court was in session.

Shunzhi, what did he contribute?

Waa, waa!

Quick, call the nai ma!


Lau Guan Kim
Singapore

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 Re: What was the Emperor Shunzi Like?
Author: erwin (---.pacific.net.sg)
Date:   12-19-01 21:31


Hello! Baba Black sheep:
His uncle dorogon was regent till his death in 1651 and from then this precocious teenager had indeed reign,the legacy that ShunZhi had left behind was the opening up of the catholic faith as well as bearing a son who later became KangXi. The Manchus had copted and grafted into the chinese system as well as etiqutte ,therefore never undersestimate a teenager. As for supposed relationship to Mao Tze Tung and Ming Royalty, you have done great damage to me , i am not aware of any connection to Mao other than reading history books and as for Ming Royalty, i wonder what have you heard from the gravevine or endless rumour mills churning out half spilled truths, you asked me whats a Baba ,well lets say my answer to you is blahhhh ! Blahhhh! sounds familiar??

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 Re: What was the Emperor Shunzi Like?
Author: Kevin Lee (---.bc.hsia.telus.net)
Date:   12-19-01 23:10

Lau Guan Kim wrote:
>
<snip>
>
> Aisingoro Puyi, the last Qing emperor, was also a child
> emperor. This time it was the aunt Cixi pulling the strings.
> Any similarity here with your adulation of Shunzhi?
>

I read Cixi died the day after Guang Xu's death. She wasn't around during Puyi's reign to pull any strings. I undertstnd her niece, the Empress she forced upon Guang Xu, did tried to fill her aunt's shoes. Perhaps this is the person yu have in mind?

Kevin

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 Re: What was the Emperor Shunzi Like?
Author: Kobo-Daishi 
Date:   12-19-01 23:21

Dear readers,

According to the book ¡§The Search For Modern China¡¨, by Jonathan D. Spence, Shun Zhi ¶¶ªv (Mand: shun4 zhi4, Cant: seon6 zi6) was not a ¡§puppet¡¨ the last half of his reign.

From the time Shunzhi ascended the throne, at about 7 years of age, the imperial court was more or less controlled by Shunzhi¡¦s uncle, the regent Dorgon. But after Dorgon¡¦s death Shunzhi was very much his own man.

The following passage from the book states what happened after the regent Dorgon died:

¡§By clever maneuvering, however, the young emperor Shunzhi, now aged thirteen, was able to consolidate his hold on the throne. Though raised as a Manchu in a Manchu court, Shunzhi seems to have been far more adaptable to Chinese ways than most of the senior Manchus around him. Astute enough to avoid being dominated by the magnates who succeeded Dorgon, and militarily shrewd enough to push the attacks on the last Ming supporters through to a successful conclusion, he also studied the Chinese language carefully, became a lover of Chinese novels and plays, and was deeply influenced by a number of devout Chinese Buddhist monks with whom he studied at court. For the last year of his life, Shunzhi grew passionately enamoured of one of his junior consorts and completely neglected the reigning empress.¡¨

Spence goes on to say that Shunzhi returned some of the powers that were taken from the palace eunuchs by Dorgon because ¡§possibly Shunzhi wanted to make the inner court more privately his own, without Manchu bodyguards and bondservants to report his movements back to the nobles of his entourage.¡¨

As to Shunzhi¡¦s friendship with the Jesuit missionary, Father Johann Adam Schall von Bell, Spence believes this was another way for Shunzhi to express his independence, ¡§or even to rediscover the father that he had lost so young.¡¨

Father Schall von Bell also had a high level of scientific skill that Shunzhi utilized by appointing Schall von Bell to head the Imperial Bureau of Astronomy. The imperial court was expected to make the calendar for the country and Shunzhi wanted as accurate a calendar as possible to reinforce his mandate to rule.

Shunzhi died in 1661, shortly after the death of his beloved consort; not the empress as Erwin states in his post.

Incidentally, Shunzhi¡¦s son Kangxi ±dº³ (Mand: kang1 xi1, Cant: hong1 hei1) who also came into his own at the age of 13 went on to become China¡¦s longest ruling emperor.

Kobo-Daishi, PLLA.

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 Re: What was the Emperor Shunzi Like?
Author: erwin (---.pacific.net.sg)
Date:   12-20-01 00:19


Mr Kobo Daishi:
There was an excellenct orientation On Emperor ShunZhi's Life, you must read a lot , i couldnt have given a detailed accout better.May You dissiminate more illuminated information esoteric as well as exoteric information, it would be constructive to readers if you could contribute regulary to the forum

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 Re: What was the Emperor Shunzi Like?
Author: erwin (---.pacific.net.sg)
Date:   12-20-01 00:20


i beleive Mr Lau in on eof his postings had commented that the Qing Dynasty was more open and cosmopolitan than the yuan and prepared to co-opt chiense culture for synergy as well as vice versa

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 Re: What was the Emperor Shunzi Like?
Author: Lau Guan Kim (---.starhub.net.sg)
Date:   12-20-01 03:29

Losing your composure?

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