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 Comparing US and China
Author: Tin-Kay Goh 
Date:   04-29-12 01:43

An interesting article by a Westerner comparing "Democratic" US with China. This will help Chow and Lea to understand that not all things are rosy in the West, and not all things in China are bad.


Unplugging Americans From The Matrix
By Dr. Paul Craig Roberts

Americans, the British, and Western Europeans are accustomed to thinking of themselves as the representatives of freedom, democracy, and morality in the world. The West passes judgment on the rest of the world as if the West is God and the rest of the world are barbarians in need of chastisement, invasion, and occupation. 

As readers know, from time to time I raise questions about the validity of the West’s extreme hubris. (See for example, the following articles: Washington’s Insouciance Has No Rival and Is Western Democracy Real or a Facade? ). 

China is often a country about which Washington’s moralists get on their high horse. However, China’s “authoritarian” government is actually more responsive to its people than America’s “elected democratic” government. Moreover, however incomplete on paper the civil liberties of China’s people, the Chinese government has not declared that it can violate with impunity whatever rights Chinese citizens have. And it is not China that is running torture prisons all over the globe.

For some time I have had in mind a realistic comparison of the two countries instead of the standard propagandistic comparison, but Ron Unz has beat me to the task (see, China’s Rise, America’s Fall and Chinese Melamine and American Vioxx: A Comparison ). Unz provides a chance for an education. Don’t miss it.

Unz has done an excellent job. Moreover, he cleverly understates the case for China and overstates the case for America so as not to unduly arouse the flag-wavers. Nevertheless, the conclusion is clear: The Chinese are less threatened by their “extractive elites” than Americans are by their counterparts. Moreover, it is America’s, not China’s, extractive elites who are bombing, occupying, and droning other countries. As the bumper sticker says, “Be nice to America or we will bring democracy to your country.” 

As for economic management, there is no comparison. Unz reports that during the past three decades, China has achieved the most rapid rate of economic development in human history. Moreover, most of the new income has flowed into the pockets of Chinese workers, not to the one percent. While American real median incomes have been stagnant for decades, incomes for Chinese workers have doubled every decade for three decades. A recent World Bank report attributes more than 100 percent of the drop in global poverty rates to China’s rise.

In the last decade China’s industrial output quadrupled. China now produces more automobiles than America and Japan combined and accounted for 85 percent of the increase in the world’s production of cars in the past decade.

In 1978 the American economy was 15 times larger than China’s. In the next few years China’s GDP is expected to exceed that of the US.

This is heady stuff providing astonishing details of how poorly Americans are served by their elites. America has failed, because political elites represent only the powerful special interests that write the country’s laws in exchange for funding the political campaigns of “lawmakers.” To divert attention from their failures, American elites point fingers at external scapegoats. China, for example, is accused of manipulating its currency. As Unz says, the scapegoating is political theater designed for the ignorant and gullible.

America’s economists, or most of them, have so prostituted themselves that propaganda has become wisdom. Most Americans believe that if China would simply let the value of its currency rise more rapidly relative to the dollar, America’s economic woes would be at an end. It is beyond belief that any economist could think that Americans with stagnant and declining incomes would be made better off by a sharp rise in the prices of goods manufactured in China on which Americans are dependent, or that the US dollar’s role as reserve currency, the main source of American power, could survive such a manifestation of Chinese economic superiority.

Americans associate lawlessness with unaccountable governments and view China’s government as unaccountable. However, Unz points out that it is the Bush/Obama Regime that has declared itself to be unaccountable to both US and international law.

The demise of the War Powers Act and the Geneva Conventions, and the asserted power of the executive to imprison without trial or charges or to assassinate any American whom the executive thinks might be a “national-security threat” are indicative of a total police state masquerading as an accountable democracy. In America six-year old little girls who misbehave in school are handcuffed, jailed, and charged with felonies. (see, 10 Disgusting Examples of Very Young School Children Being Arrested, Handcuffed and Brutalized By Police ). Not even Hitler and Stalin went this far.

Americans have lost control of the government, and governments that are not controlled by the people are not democracies. In America today, Social Security, Medicare, food stamps, and the entire social safety net are threatened by the vociferous desire for war profits by armament plutocrats and by financial institutions determined that ordinary citizens bear the cost of the banksters incompetence and fraud.

Unz’s comparison of how the Chinese media and government handled the melamine or infant formula scandal and how the American media and government handled Merck’s Vioxx scandal is especially damning. It was China’s controlled media and unaccountable government that punished the infant formula wrongdoers, while America’s free press and accountable government allowed Merck to walk.

Unz’s conclusion is that it is in America, not China, where life is regarded as cheap.

Ron Unz is an American hero, and a very courageous one. As George Orwell said, “In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.”

It is an even more courageous act when no one wants to hear the truth. As Frantz Fanon said, “Sometimes people hold a core belief that is very strong. When they are presented with evidence that works against that belief, the new evidence cannot be accepted. It would create a feeling that is extremely uncomfortable, called cognitive dissonance. And because it is so important to protect the core belief, they will rationalize, ignore and even deny anything that doesn’t fit in with the core belief.”

Or as it is explained to Neo in the film, “The Matrix is a system, Neo. That system is our enemy. But when you’re inside, you look around, what do you see? Businessmen, teachers, lawyers, carpenters. The very minds of the people we are trying to save. But until we do, these people are still a part of that system, and that makes them our enemy. You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged. And many of them are so inured, so hopelessly dependent on the system, that they will fight to protect it.”

Most of the people I know personally are not willing to be unplugged. I assume my readers are, so seize the opportunity to be further unplugged and read Ron Unz’s comparison of America and China. Then do what you can to unplug others.

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 Re: Comparing US and China
Author: Chow Lee 
Date:   04-29-12 04:06

This writer has the credibility of a sack of potatos. Don't get me wrong. Everyone has a right to an opinion. However Roberts is largely regarded as a "fringe" writer by both the left and the right. That sort of makes him interesting.

Chow Lee

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 Re: Comparing US and China
Author: Chow Lee 
Date:   04-29-12 04:07

This writer has the credibility of a sack of potatos. Don't get me wrong. Everyone has a right to an opinion. However Roberts is largely regarded as a "fringe" writer by both the left and the right. That sort of makes him interesting.

Chow Lee

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 Re: Comparing US and China
Author: observer 
Date:   04-29-12 17:23

According to Wikapaedia,

"Paul Craig Roberts (born April 3, 1939) is an American economist and a columnist for Creators Syndicate. He served as an Assistant Secretary of the Treasury in the Reagan Administration earning fame as a co-founder of Reaganomics.[1] He is a former editor and columnist for the Wall Street Journal, Business Week, and Scripps Howard News Service who has testified before congressional committees on 30 occasions on issues of economic policy"

In view of the above do you still insist that he "has a creditability of a sack of potatoes" and is "largely regarded as a "fringe" writer by both the left and the right" Please don't pooh-pooh a person just because you don't like his views!!

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 Re: Comparing US and China
Author: Lea Tsang 
Date:   04-29-12 17:54

I never said that all things in the West are rosy and that all things in China are bad.

There are good and bad things to both the West and China.

Lea Tsang

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 Re: Comparing US and China
Author: Tin-Kay Goh 
Date:   04-29-12 19:32

Lea, good to know you are an objective person, much unlike Chow Chow. In regards to your parents being Buddhists and you being Christian, may I advise that you respect their wishes as long as they do not force you to change your religion. Burning joss sticks in memory of your ancestors will please them, and this is appropriate, despite what advice being given to the contrary. As Cheok has advised, respect your parents. Your Christian God would be pleased that you make your parents happy. Religious views are interpreted differently by different theologians. Be true to your conscience and follow your heart and not some priest's or pastor's advice. Are you in UK now?

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 Re: Comparing US and China
Author: hohoyan888 
Date:   04-29-12 20:00

What ?

What do you know about this guy ?

He is a bonda fide Republican. He used to work for Reagan in a high capacity post, a well known conservative. His background is in Economics. I bet that he probably know a few things about what we have in America.

Come on. Man. You have to be a little bit more neutral sometimes.

I was surprised by what he wrote. I won't dispute either on what he thinks.

American don't like competition and are typical sore losers. We would do anything to win. See what happens to the New Orleans Saints and Ron the World Peace of the Lakers's elbow.

Well, if we want to stay on the top, we need to study our competitors and we need to learn how to compete.

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 Re: Comparing US and China
Author: Lea Tsang 
Date:   04-29-12 20:11

Hello Tin Kay,

I respect my parents and their religious views. I don't force my reloigious views on them just as they don't force their views on me. I will burn incense as offering to the ancestors when we go back to our village in Hong Kong. I've always respected my parents. They have done a lot for us children. I do not argue with them. I am the only child out of the three of us who supports my parents financially. I don't mind supporting them but wish sometimes my siblings would help out, especially my brother. Anyway, I'm lucky that I earn just enough to provide for us.

Lea Tsang

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 Re: Comparing US and China
Author: Chow Lee 
Date:   04-29-12 23:03

Tin Kay, you know absolutely nothing about me, but continue to throw insults. If I have done something SPECIFIC to get your goat, please by all means bring it to my attention. However, if all you do is toss around insults you are posting from not basis in fact.

Chow Lee

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 Re: Comparing US and China
Author: Tin-Kay Goh 
Date:   05-01-12 12:16

Chow, I definitely know who is the Sack of Potato here in the World Forum. Despite what Observer and Hohoyan have written to fill your knowledge, you still have not learnt anything about Roberts. It is like 对牛弹琴 Playing the lute to a cow. Please post something relevant instead of vilifying someone who is on a much higher pedestal than Chow Chow. Little boy, go back to your school book.

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 Re: Comparing US and China
Author: Paul Yih 
Date:   05-01-12 12:58

American's democracy was raped and sodomized by two Jews -- Sigmund Freud and his nephew -- Edward Barnays and in the use of mass or crowd psychology to have created war and consumption ..now the ruination .

Paul Yih

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 Re: Comparing US and China
Author: Chow Lee 
Date:   05-01-12 14:58

"An interesting article by a Westerner comparing "Democratic" US with China. This will help Chow and Lea to understand that not all things are rosy in the West, and not all things in China are bad.
"


How could you ever arrive at such a conclusion about others?

Chow Lee

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 Re: Comparing US and China
Author: Chow Lee 
Date:   05-01-12 14:59

Wow...such unbridled hostility. It reminds me of an angry dog locked up in a car, Easy there, little fella!

Chow Lee

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 Re: Comparing US and China
Author: Chow Lee 
Date:   05-01-12 15:17

Funny you fail to make mention of this from the very same page:

"The pro-Jewish [Anti-Defamation League] has criticized Dr. Roberts as promoting anti-semitism for his increasing focus on "criticism of Israel and Jews" making his writings "popular with fringe publications on both the left and the right".[13] "

Not to mention his position on China:

"Roberts has testified before the US–China Commission and written many articles pointing out that the offshoring of high productivity, high value-added jobs in manufacturing and professional services is dismantling the ladders of upward mobility that made the U.S. an opportunity society. Consequently, he is an opponent of Global Labor Arbitrage."

Chow Lee

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 Re: Comparing US and China
Author: Chow Lee 
Date:   05-01-12 15:19

Perhaps you could benefit from a little reading yourself on your man Roberts? You should learn about how he views China and how he see trade between the West and China.

A little more reading would help you not to look like such an "a**-clown". ;-)

LOL

Chow Lee

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 This footage will tell you the phony democracy of the US
Author: Paul Yih 
Date:   05-01-12 17:36

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLD7LmWnzrA

Paul Yih

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 Re: Comparing US and China
Author: Paul Yih 
Date:   05-01-12 17:38

<<In 1978 the American economy was 15 times larger than China’s. In the next few years China’s GDP is expected to exceed that of the US >>>>

Thus far, in all that we have witnessed -- the Chinese growth have not been overly manipulated -- but rather guided by the government's policy -- Instead, read and watch those four hours video by BBC -- Americans still do not have a genuine democracy --

Paul Yih

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 Re: Comparing US and China
Author: Paul Yih 
Date:   05-01-12 17:40

The Federal Reserve does not belong to any one -- and no one knows how much dollar are being over printed and how many are in circulation -- ... Americans have created wars at will and sustained by false amount of dollars that has nothing to have these currencies backed .. yes, they do have their false confidence or maybe -- arrogance when they are caught ..

Paul Yih

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 Re: Comparing US and China
Author: Paul Yih 
Date:   05-01-12 17:42

I guess our Chow Lee has his own list of credentials to his own liking -- :) Like Henry Kissinger and Milton Freakman , I meant, Friedman ?

Paul Yih

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 Re: Comparing US and China
Author: Paul Yih 
Date:   05-01-12 17:45

Hohoyan, Americans hate to admit any wrongs, why ? Because the liability for law suits had prevented most of the war merchants to face up to the fact -- I am suggesting that for every wrongful dead in any wars, the invading morons will have to pay US$20,000 per head in gold -- I wonder how many of morons like Bush and the war industry and the war banks will dare to continue ? What the F are those bimbos in Human Rights are doing ? masturbating ? So goes for the World Court and the UN -- they are all masturbating I guess ..:)

Pay those wrongful dead -- Americans will be more bankrupted than now :)

Paul Yih

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 Re: Comparing US and China
Author: Paul Yih 
Date:   05-01-12 17:47

They are often butt ugly -- but instead, these morons goes to churches and synagogues -- Have you not seen how Clinton clenched over his bible on Sunday and ordered the mass bombing into Bosnia on Monday ?:) Oh yes .. they are all god fearing or dog fearing I suppose :)

This is all for you :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLD7LmWnzrA

Paul Yih

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 Re: Comparing US and China
Author: Chow Lee 
Date:   05-01-12 18:13

Come on now Paul, you know me better than that. ;-)

Chow Lee

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