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 Is China finaly ready to fight in S. China Sea?
Author: Liang2a 
Date:   04-22-12 22:15

http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/90780/7794844.html

Huangyan crisis hints long-term tensions
(Global Times)
10:50, April 22, 2012

What can we predict from the naval standoff between China and the Philippines near Huangyan Island in the South China Sea? The answer depends on the next action China is going to take.

China should be prepared to engage in a small-scale war at sea with the Philippines. Once the war erupts, China must take resolute action and deliver a clear message to the outside world that it does not want a war, but definitely has no fear of it. Nevertheless, such a war cannot put the South China Sea issue to an end.
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Is China finaly ready to fight in S. China Sea?

Is China finally ready to fight? I think the time to fight has been long overdue. It should be obvious to anybody with any knowledge and perception of the reality of the S. E. Asian situation that war in simply unavoidable. The Chinese is irrationally fearful of the Americans to the point of being schizophrenics. The Chinese see the evil hand of America everywhere around China to choke China to death. Obviously, America does not harbor any friendship toward China. It is equally obvious that America would be happy to see China emasculated. But the reality is that America has been brought down by its bad economic policies. It is stretched too thin and can no longer be able to fight endless wars everywhere around the world. Especially, America can no longer succcessfully fight a war against China by any definition of success. And while America still maintains hundreds of thousands of troops around China and pose a serious threat, the threat is not potent. That is, China already has the power to fight America to a draw around China's neighborhood with catastrophic losses to both countries. And China now has the weapons to keep the war from reaching into Chinese mainland by stopping it at the surrounding seas and even take the war to America. And not only losses due to the actual fighting itself, America is even more concerned with economic losses. Given America is still in fragile economic conditions, it simply cannot risk a catastrophic war with the world's second biggest economic and military power - China.

Given this fact about America, Philippines simply cannot rely on it to come to its rescue in a war against China. Therefore, China is being unnecessarily fearful of American involvment and Philippines is being baselessly over-optimistic of getting American military backing. I hope China will now issue an ultimatum for Philippines to get out of Chinese territories or else China will arrest them and tow them back to China for trial. If they resist then they should be sunk. The problem will most probably not be over in the sense that Philippines will continue to test China's resolve to defend its territories. It will certainly continue to loudly to claim China's sovereign territories as its own. But once China has slapped it down, it will lose credibility with the world and with its own people. Aquino will lose the trust of his own people and they will vote him out next election. Certainly, if trouble continue to escalate, Philippines will lose economically. Many Filipino businessmen will be angry with Aquino and will try to get rid of him. In the end, peace will settle over the region only by China's leadership and its clear and certain defense of its sovereign territories which will stop the regional peoples from even beginning to try to invade China's territories.

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 Re: Is China finaly ready to fight in S. China Sea?
Author: cheok hong chuan 
Date:   04-22-12 23:00

Of course China is always ready and prepared! But that is not the question? The question is who should ‘fire’ first, who would 'blink' first? Because in 'chess' terms this would have propaganda consequences and value.

Tough Tarzan like postures and mouthing serves no constructive purposes than to feed the vain 'simple minded' domestic audiences of the respective countries concerned. All these manoeuvres look 'stupid' to educated International audiences; and both Governments know this but are not revealing their worry about 'public image' damage control; viz-a-viz as to who is more sophisticated and intellectual or are just a bunch of jungle apes imitating Tarzan!

In any case, the Chinese Government or its military intelligence is still working hard evaluating whether it is a U.S. sponsored intimidation for testing of China's sensitivity or whether it is the Philippines trying to goad the U.S. into declaring that it would come to the Philippines' rescue over a disputed sand-bank? The U.S. is still looking for a precedent where they have invaded over a disputed sand-bank or shoal! They know that the Chinese do not '%%%%' around. When China says - do not cross the Yalu River, it means exactly that!

Further, no one has firmed up on whether they are prepared to test the dispute as a "nine dotted line" dispute or whether it is a fisheries dispute or an 'oil and gas' dispute? In the latter two, the Chinese are amenable to joint discussion as to sharing of economic exploitation. The Philippines must first come clean. Are they defending the indefensible or are they willing to talk over money? All they have to do is wear the Asian 'hat' to think. China can talk 'money but not "Zheng He's mausoleum"!

CHC
23/4/12

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 Re: Is China finaly ready to fight in S. China Sea?
Author: Liang2a 
Date:   04-23-12 03:04

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 Re: Is China finaly ready to fight in S. China Sea?
Author: charles koon 
Date:   04-23-12 06:12

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Is it not too strong for this discussion?!

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 Re: Is China finaly ready to fight in S. China Sea?
Author: Paul Yih 
Date:   04-23-12 09:35

Does China need to pick any fights like the Americans ? Really ? Liang, you need to have greater depth to know your own Chinese culture - That is , if you are not just a sheer Taiwanese who had yet knonw if you are Chinese or just a Jap like LTH, the othr turd from Taiwan who also is not sure if he is a jap or Chinese :)

Paul Yih

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 Re: Is China finaly ready to fight in S. China Sea?
Author: Paul Yih 
Date:   04-23-12 09:36

Is that Taiwanese or Japanese ?:)

Paul Yih

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 Re: Is China finaly ready to fight in S. China Sea?
Author: Paul Yih 
Date:   04-23-12 09:37

This is the first time I have found Liangs without any words but only swearing in Taiwanese or Japanese :)

Paul Yih

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 Re: Is China finaly ready to fight in S. China Sea?
Author: charles koon 
Date:   04-23-12 20:56

Maybe I still do not know enough of the Chinese mentality, but so far my impression tells me that your people tend to mix politics with judiciary. Often using 私仇公报. My perception only. Maybe right or maybe wrong.

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 Is China a real paper tiger ?
Author: hohoyan888 
Date:   04-28-12 04:54

Is China a paper tiger ?

She is, IMHO.

There is no way that US can really bully China if China declares to the world that she will defend her territory with the possible use of weapons of mass destruction. What US tries to do is to use other nations to push China around and to drag China down as much as she can before US sends in the final blow. US is the ultimate enemy. If you want to kill the snake, cut the head first.

Those tiny nations around the South China Sea have been pushing China around but China instead of standing firm on her ground keeps giving in.

I just can't understand what China has in mind. She probably thinks that the other aggressors in the long run will just give in. This won't happen. Sometimes, you may be better off to stand tall day one.

On the other hand, US just keeps pushing. When will China be able to defend herself ?

We need a peaceful world. China+Russia are the only hope that may be able to make US behave. Once it is done, US will become a much better nation and the world will be a lot peaceful henceforth.

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 Re: Is China a real paper tiger ?
Author: charles koon 
Date:   04-28-12 07:16

Hear,hear!!!

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 US puppet regimes for the Rothschilds
Author: Paul Yih 
Date:   04-28-12 12:06

Sooner or later , The US and the UK and the EU will be exposed to the Asians and Central Asians, they are no more than the contract killers just like the mercenaries, or to be called conscripts for the ethnic Jewish bankers and or the Rothschild and their on going global network -- ranging from the Rockefeller to Soros on both side of left and right ..side of any political aisles but all were used and being used by these usury bankers and their other team all into war making and war arsenals --

This is one myth that the Asians and all Muslim nation have to know what is the real agenda -- The US and EU as the puppet or sub slave who will follow the US and the money of the Usury Jewry , who had created their arsenal from the early days of colonialism -- Both Polos and Columbus are all from Jewish extraction -- and the mercantilism was an indirect exit for the Jews to leave Europe by way of Inquisition -- thus, the financing of all the voyages were literally funded by the Jews bankers or merchants .. both the voyages to Asia and to the America was part of their exit from the sanguine Inquisition of the Roman Catholic Church, directly or indirectly, it was also part of the dispute of the loan of money to monarchs and when the interest was too high, one of the best way for the powerful is to force these Jews into conversion or to be sent back to North Africa -

The two false economies built up by the US and by their Jewish banking masters was to have wars, for as long as the world is at war, the past hatred toward the Jews will be preoccupied by both wars and the profiteering from wars, by way of territorial gains like the colonization of the Americas and of Africa, and in India, in the use of the native Indians tribes to have built their empires - in the case of China, it was the opium -- and the planning for global conflict even today are part of these banking grand scheme -- for every war, big or small, the first setting is to have preparation of wars and thus logistics -- and the industry of war had produced the industry of militarism and none had done better of the systematic wars of the English and the Americans -- and while the entire Jewry bankers can have their funds to put in London to Switzerland to as far as to the off shore banks and directly in HK like HSBC, HSBC holds tremendous amount of gold and other assets that will allow these puppet Europeans and American to have wars and weapons for the longest time -- That is why China has to keep an eye of these bankers , the real war makers on even Chinese soil like Hong Kong ..

When and where, nations like Korea, the Philippines and others began to realize they are no more than just a pawn in that major games of wars and real chessboard - when they are awaken and to realize that they are merely a small instrument to allow US to pound their chest and to make war rhetoric , so they can have their troops hosted on Australian soil, in Guam, in the old Philippines and even trying hard to head back to the regions of Vietnam -- All of these minor provocation will not be of any major harm to China ---Afterall, China as in her past, most invaders become embracing the comfort of Chinese culture be that of the Mongols or the Manchus , and even as of now, the many Jews is trying to create a Jew cultural center in Shanghai or in Kaifeng - by exposing their misdeeds by way of opium and to create an Opium Holocaust Museum is just to the counter balance, by way of culture and by way of exposure -- Their footing onto China will have to be watched and guarded -- The world at war is their motive -- when the world is at war, the old anti-Semite sentiments will be stalled -- in actuality, the real anti-antisemitism stemming from the new group of JEWS, now we called Christians by separating from the old Hebrew roots -- and all the Antisemitism is Jew hating Christians, or new Jews and the mutual hate between Abraham 's other bastard branch -- the Muslims and then the Jews and now the Christians siding with old Jews :) It is one hell of a Abrahamic cultural fratricide of their own -- and none of the one hundred million Chinese who perished in the Opium Trade had nothing to do with any Anti-semitism, but more so, by the greed of two family of the Jews -- Sassoon and Rothschild, their inter-marriage , inbreeding of greed had created such humiliation of the Chinese, at a time, when the Qing idiots were in decline -- with no one insight to replace the corrupting Manchus .. Mao had done the best by way of Sun and even Chiang . The Chinese knew, Japan and its sheer smaller size , will not be able to wallow up all China -- even with the massacre in Nanking, much less of these few families of Jews - even though they are now at the gate of China, or inside China in HK with their banks -- and with more companies infiltrating China, and by way of Soros, no less than the Schiff family once had even penetrated the Russian Bolsheviks to have funded the revolution, just to overthrow the Romanovs who refused to have a banking systems of lies-- Like the Federal Reserve of the US ,, it is not a government entity, it is a private to print dollar while these families have stashed their gold quietly into banks like HSBC and wherever else -- for that just in case scenario ..

Paul Yih

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 Re: Is China a real paper tiger ?
Author: Liang2a 
Date:   04-29-12 00:15

China has turned into another Ah-Q. This is not because the Chinese people are cowardly. Even in the weakest days of the Qing Dynasty there were many Chinese who had stood tall and willing to make any sacrifices to defend China's honor. China's weakness has always been due to the corruption of the ruling clique who were willing to sell out China's national interests (in the old days national interest is synonymous to emperor's selfish interests). So corrupt officials thought they were only robbing the emperor who was uncaring of the people anyway. But in this new day of China, Chinese people should begin to think of national interests as the interests of all of the Chinese people and of the Chinese nation. In order to do this, China must become democratic so that people don't confuse Chinese interests with the interests of the Chinese Communist Party. Personally, I have no willingness to sacrifice myself to help the CCP just as I have no willingness to help some big company such as Foxconn. Foxconn can go broke and I won't be unhappy. By the same token I won't be unhappy if CPP disappear. But unless there is a clear distinction between a political party such as CPP and the Chinese nation, the Chinese people won't feel compelled to make any sacrifices just to prop up a corrupt government or stop their corruption. Especially, the corrupt Chinese officials themselves don't feel any willingness to sacrifice themselves just to make the CCP more dominant. Unfortunately, the Chinese officials have become like a bunch of eunuchs after the emperor had died. Now they are robbing China anyway they can because they think they are just robbing the dead emperor or the defunct imperial family.

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 Re: Is China a real paper tiger ?
Author: suen.kuen 
Date:   04-29-12 02:07

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We've got the 'toys' ; the moment is ripe . Sit back and put on the safety belts.....Liang2 !
I'd volunteer should positions be open for my age group of people for this kind of pre-emptive wars!
3-cheers for Suen Kuen !

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 Re: Is China finaly ready to fight in S. China Sea?
Author: Chow Lee 
Date:   04-29-12 04:07

Fight who and why?

Chow Lee

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 Re: Is China finaly ready to fight in S. China Sea?
Author: Ba Wang Xiao 
Date:   04-29-12 07:18

We will earn ourselves the title of 'big bully' should we start putting holes into the Philippines' hand-me-down decrepit warships, courtesy of Uncle Sham. Not only that, should there be another show of force at the Huangyan shoal and if those rickety forty-year-old former US Coast Guard cutters were to sink on their own volition we may even be accused of firing the first shot unprovoked and earn worldwide condemnation.

The Philippines have been fighting the ragtag Moro Islamic rebels in the southern Philippines since the 1970s and lately with US help but the Islamic rebels are far from defeated and they have even morphed into an Al-Qaida arm. And now the Philippines want to take on China?

We cleared the ungrateful Viets out of the Paracels in two campaigns. The first in 1974 when we beat the crap out of the South Vietnamese who occupied some of the Paracels islands and in 1988 we shot the newly reunited Vietnamese navy out of the waters of the remaining islands that they illegally occupied. Today we control all of the islands in the Paracels.

We will drive away the Viets and others who are still illegally occupying the Spratlys in due course.

There is no need to use a nuke to drive away a pesky claimant to the Spratlys.

Say YES to peac

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 Re: Is China finaly ready to fight in S. China Sea?
Author: observer 
Date:   04-29-12 07:59

There is a Chinese saying: you do not need a "cow knife" to slaughter chicken.

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 Re: Is China finaly ready to fight in S. China Sea?
Author: Paul Yih 
Date:   04-29-12 08:37

just remember.. The usury bankers plus the misuse of psychoanalysis of Edward Barnay who had the entire capital rich Americans to have used war as a way to created since the days with the inept, puppet like Woodrow Wilson... since war had made these many son of whoresvsupervrich.. They will try to do the same at any cost....these immoral bank bastards will try to create conflict any place, in order to sustain those military bases, in the use of any soldiers just so to sell arms, to give away arsenals to puppet regimes, as the investment to create wars.. So the "supply" chains will work..Have any one witnessed any punitive acts in the Hague for the war crimes committed by the US ? of course not.. if the wOrld court has any moral gonads.. Just to put in a fair sum, say $20,000 for each wrongful kill in any battle , this alone can bankrupt the war making morons , thus far, they have total impunity....

let us get moving to force direct financial consequences and to create a body to do the death verification...These false wars have to sto..and China, Russia, Brazil and many others can make this global changes and to stop both the bullies of immoral bankers and their puppet regimes.

Paul Yih

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 Re: Is China a real paper tiger ?
Author: hohoyan888 
Date:   04-29-12 21:39

I love to see the 1-person-1-vote type of election in China. The sooner that it happens, the longer that America will stay forever as the sole superpower of the world.

Let us tell the Chinese whom they should vote for. I bet that they all love our American successful stories.

BTW, we don't even practice open election in America. USA is a republic not a 1-person-1-vote type of democratic country. How many of you know that only the appointed electors are allowed to elect the president of the United States of America. Who are these so-called electors anyway ?

Get rid of the communists in China and start the 1-person-1-vote system now.
Killing may be a good Chinese virtue during their open election.

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 Re: Is China a real paper tiger ?
Author: Liang2a 
Date:   04-30-12 18:01

Author: suen.kuen
Date: 04-29-12 02:07

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We've got the 'toys' ; the moment is ripe . Sit back and put on the safety belts.....Liang2 !
I'd volunteer should positions be open for my age group of people for this kind of pre-emptive wars!
3-cheers for Suen Kuen !
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There is no need for China to be so "civilized". It is shear stupidity to be civilized to some thugs who only want to rob you. The CCP keep wanting other countries to think China is being gentlemanly. But the only realistic way to interpret Chinese behavior is cowardice. So the CCP should at least be realistic and understand how Chinese action is being interpreted and stop living in a dream world. But the truth is the CCP is actually being cowardly because it does not want to risk losing the "golden opportunity" to continue to make a lot of money for the exporters. But no matter how profitable it is to export, China cannot trade sovereignty for money. This is called selling out. Furthermore, as I've pointed out ad nauseum that exports is predicated on the poverty of the vast majority of the Chinese people to enrich only a few exporters. Exports is now at an end because the importing countries are all bankrupt. Therefore, China's economic future relies on domestic development and does not need the goodwill of the foreigners, especially one such as Philippines or even the US.

It is time to establish China's control of the South Sea and kick out all the foreign invaders such as the Philippines and Vietnam. China's South Sea for Chinese only!

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