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 Where have we heard this story before?...
Author: Chow Lee 
Date:   04-24-12 15:42

Provided by Mustafa Shah Kumani

"Chrishna, of India, born on December 25, his mother was a virgin, mother's name was Maia. The name Chrishna means Black or Dark. His uncle, Kamsa, the ruler at the time of his birth sought to kill him (Chrishna) because he had heard a Prophecy that Chrishna would overthrow him. Chrishna escaped death by being smuggled out of the area to safety (sounds like Herod and Jesus does it not?).

Mithra, of Persia, born on December 25, his birth was witnessed by Shepherds that brought gifts to honor him. He was styled as a Mediator between God and Man. Witness this quote from the Encyclopedia Encarta,

"Mithraism was similar to Christianity in many respects, for example, in the ideals of humility and brotherly love, baptism, the rite of communion, the use of holy water, the adoration of the shepherds at Mithra's birth, the adoption of Sundays and of December 25 (Mithra's birthday) as holy days, and the belief in the immortality of the soul, the last judgment, and the resurrection. Mithraism differed from Christianity in the exclusion of women from its ceremonies and in its willingness to compromise with polytheism. The similarities, however, made possible the easy conversion of its followers to Christian doctrine" ("Mithraism," Microsoft (R) Encarta. Copyright (c) 1994 Microsoft Corporation. Copyright (c) 1994 Funk & Wagnall's Corporation).

Horus, of Egypt, born on December 25. His mother, Isis, gave birth to him in the swamp, she was warned by the god Thoth, to flee and conceal the child from the evil Set. Set had killed the father of Horus, whose name was Osiris, and sought to kill Horus, |also. Isis was able to keep Horus hidden from Set, till he (Horus) grew to manhood. Horus sought to avenge the murder of his Father, and made war against Set, and defeated him.

Buddha, of India, born on December 25, his mother's name was Maya (similar to Mary) she was a virgin. He was immaculately conceived, and at birth, he announced that he was a savior to the world. His birth was announced by a star. At his birth, he was visited by Wise Men who declared that they had seen Signs of his birth, that is to say, signs of the royal birth (coincidence?).

Beddou (Fot), was a god of the orient born 1027 BC, his mother was a virgin, he was born of royal blood. The king sought to kill him at birth, because he felt the newborn infant posed a future threat to his Throne. The god child was saved by shepherds, and lived in the desert till he reached the age of thirty, at which time he commenced teaching his spiritual doctrine to that religion.

Quetzalcoatl, a god the Western Hemisphere, was born of a virgin. He sojourned in the wilderness, fasted forty days. Was crucified. He was variously represented as the God of light that struggled against the god of darkness called Tezcatlipoca.

Hercules, son of the god Zeus, predestined by birth to inherit the throne of Argos. Hera, the jealous wife of Zeus desired the throne for another and sought to delay the birth of Hercules, and subsequently tried to kill Hercules while in his crib, by sending two snakes to strangle him. Hercules killed the snakes, though he was less than a year old. Later, He was sent away to the countryside where he became a shepherd.

Attis, of Phrygia, his mother was a virgin, her name was Nana. He was a shepherd, and reported to have died by self emasculation under a pine tree. He was alleged to have risen from the dead at Easter i.e. The vernal Equinox.

Tammuz was hailed as the only begotten son of the god Ea. His mother was a virgin, by the name of Ishtar. As an infant he was hidden in a chest by Aphrodite, the goddess of love and entrusted to Persephone, the goddess of the nether world. Persephone later opened the chest, and was so stricken by the beauty of the babe, that she refused to return the child to Aphrodite. The two goddesses fought each other for possession of the child, till finally the god Zeus mediated the matter, and declared that the child shall spend half it's year with Aphrodite and the other half in the nether world with Persephone."

Chow Lee

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 Re: Where have we heard this story before?...
Author: suen.kuen 
Date:   04-24-12 17:21

A good contribution from you.....for the first time on here.
Geee.....I must sharpen up.....else I'll be made redundant !!

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 Re: Where have we heard this story before?...
Author: Chow Lee 
Date:   04-24-12 17:36

This is very old news. It surprises me you have not posted it prior to now.

Chow Lee

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 Re: Where have we heard this story before?...
Author: suen.kuen 
Date:   04-24-12 20:58

.....that you've made good posts before!!??
.... don't make me laugh....ROFL ! phewwwww....some people!

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 Re: Where have we heard this story before?...
Author: Chow Lee 
Date:   04-25-12 01:33

No that many other cultures had their own Jesus with remarkabke similarities.

As far as what I posted, it is proof positive that you only see validity in posts that fit your own paradigm of fact or truth.

Chow Lee

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 Re: Where have we heard this story before?...
Author: tom Dragon 
Date:   04-25-12 09:51

God Is Not Great: How Religion Poisons Everything is a 2007 book by the late author and journalist Christopher Hitchens criticising religion. It was published in the United Kingdom as God Is Not Great: The Case Against Religion.

In the book, Hitchens contends that organised religion is "violent, irrational, intolerant, allied to racism, tribalism, and bigotry, invested in ignorance and hostile to free inquiry, contemptuous of women and coercive toward children" and sectarian, and that accordingly it "ought to have a great deal on its conscience." Hitchens supports his position with a mixture of personal stories, documented historical anecdotes and critical analysis of religious texts. His commentary focuses mainly on the Abrahamic religions, although it also touches on other religions, such as Hinduism and Buddhism.

Chapter One: Putting It Mildly

Hitchens writes that, at the age of nine, he began to question the teachings of his Bible instructor, and began to see critical flaws in apologetic arguments, most notably the argument from design.[1] He goes on to discuss people who become atheists, saying that some are people who have never believed, whereas others are those who have separately discarded religious traditions. He also asserts that atheists who disagree with each other will eventually side together on whatever the evidence most strongly supports.[2] He briefly discusses why human beings have a tendency towards being "faithful" and argues that religion will remain entrenched in the human consciousness as long as human beings cannot overcome their primitive fears, particularly that of their own mortality. He ends by saying that he would not want to eradicate religion if the faithful would "leave him alone", but, ultimately, that they are incapable of this.[3]

Chapter Two: Religion Kills

In this chapter, Hitchens addresses a hypothetical question he was asked on a panel with radio host Dennis Prager: if he were alone in an unfamiliar city at night, and a group of strangers began to approach him, would he feel safer, or less safe, knowing that these men had just come from a prayer meeting? Hitchens answers,





Just to stay within the letter 'B', I have actually had that experience in Belfast, Beirut, Bombay, Belgrade, Bethlehem and Baghdad. In each case ... I would feel immediately threatened if I thought that the group of men approaching me in the dusk were coming from a religious observance.[4]




He gave detailed descriptions of the tense social and political situations within these cities, which he attributes to religion. He has thus "not found it a prudent rule to seek help as the prayer meeting breaks up."[5]

Next he discusses the 1989 fatwa issued on author and friend Salman Rushdie by the Ayatollah Khomeini because of the contents of his book The Satanic Verses.[5] He goes on to criticise several public figures for laying the blame for the incident on Rushdie himself. He also writes about the events following the September 11, 2001 attacks, describing how religion, particularly major religious figures, allowed matters to "deteriorate in the interval between the removal of the Taliban and the overthrow of Saddam Hussein."[6]

Chapter Three: A Short Digression On The Pig; or, Why Heaven Hates Ham

Hitchens discusses the prohibition on eating pigs ("porcophobia" as Hitchens calls it) in Judaism, also adopted by Islam.[7] Hitchens writes that this proscription is not just Biblical or dietary. He reports that even today, Muslim zealots demand that the Three Little Pigs, Miss Piggy, Piglet from Winnie-the-Pooh and other traditional pets and characters be "removed from the innocent gaze of their children."[8] Hitchens proposes that the prohibition against pork found in Semitic religions may be based in the proscription of human sacrifice, extended to pigs because of the similarities in appearance and flavor between pork and human flesh.[9]

Chapter Four: A Note On Health, To Which Religion May Be Hazardous

In this chapter, Hitchens explains how some religions can be hostile to treating diseases. He writes that many Muslims saw the polio vaccine as a conspiracy, and thus allowed polio to spread.[10] He goes on to discuss the Catholic Church's response to the spread of HIV in Africa, telling people that condoms are ineffective, which, he argues, contributes to the death toll.[11] He notes with examples that some in both the Catholic and the Muslim communities believe irrationally that HIV and HPV are punishment for sexual sin—particularly homosexuality.[12] He describes religious leaders as "faith healers", and opines that they are hostile to medicine because it necessarily undermines their position of power.[13]

He then criticises the Jewish ritual of circumcision that would have him "take a baby boy's penis in my hand, cut around the prepuce, and complete the action by taking his penis in my mouth, sucking off the foreskin, and spitting out the amputated flap along with a mouthful of blood and saliva", and denounces the traditional African practice of female genital mutilation. He concludes the chapter writing of the religious "wish for obliteration" — for a death in the form of the day of the Apocalypse.

Chapter Five: The Metaphysical Claims of Religion Are False

Hitchens begins this chapter by saying that the strong faith that could stand up to any form of reason is long gone. He compares the popular knowledge of the world in Thomas Aquinas' time to what we now know about the world. He uses the example of Laplace — "It works well enough without that [God] hypothesis"[14] — to demonstrate that we do not need God to explain things; he claims that religion becomes obsolete as an explanation when it becomes optional or one among many different beliefs. He concludes by averring that the leap of faith is not just one leap; it is a leap repeatedly made, and a leap that becomes more difficult to take the more it is taken: which is why so many religionists now feel the need to move beyond mere faith and cite evidence for their beliefs.

Chapter Six: Arguments From Design

In this chapter, Hitchens writes that Abrahamic religions are used to make people feel like lowly sinners, encouraging low self-esteem, while at the same time leading them to believe that their creator genuinely cares for them, thus inflating their sense of self-importance. He says that superstition to some extent has a "natural advantage", being that it was contrived many centuries before the modern age of human reason and scientific understanding, and discusses a few examples as well as so-called miracles.

He then discusses the design arguments, using examples such as the human body wearing out in old age as bad design. He writes that if evolution had taken a slightly different course, there would be no guarantee at all that organisms remotely like us would ever have existed.

Chapter Seven: The Nightmare Of The Old Testament

Here Hitchens lists anachronisms and inconsistencies in the Old Testament, and writes that many of the "gruesome, disordered events [...] never took place."[15] He writes that the Pentateuch is "an ill-carpentered fiction, bolted into place well after the non-events that it fails to describe convincingly or even plausibly."[16] He points out, for instance, that when Moses orders parents to have their children stoned to death (see also List of capital crimes in the Torah) for indiscipline (citing Deuteronomy[17]) it is probably a violation of at least one of the very commandments Moses brought down from God. He observes that Moses "continually makes demented pronouncements ('He that is wounded in the stones, or hath his privy member cut off, shall not enter into the congregation of the Lord')."[18]

Chapter Eight: The "New" Testament Exceeds The Evil Of The "Old" One

Hitchens first connects the Book of Isaiah in the Old Testament with its prediction that "a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son" (see Isaiah 7:14), pointing out where the stories converge, Old Testament to New. Comparing the Testaments, he considers the New Testament "also a work of crude carpentry, hammered together long after its purported events, and full of improvised attempts to make things come out right." He points out that, while H. L. Mencken considered some of the New Testament events to be historically verifiable, Mencken maintained that "most of them [...] show unmistakable signs of having been tampered with."[19]

Hitchens also outlines the inaccuracy in Luke's attempt to triangulate three world events of the time with Jesus's birth (viz, the census ordered by Caesar Augustus of the entire Roman world, the reign of King Herod in Judea and that of Quirinius as governor of Syria, see the Census of Quirinius). He further relates that there is no record by any Roman historian of any Augustan census, and that, although "the Jewish chronicler Josephus mentions one that did occur—without the onerous requirement for people to return to their places of birth", it was undertaken "six years after the birth of Jesus is supposed to have taken place." In addition Hitchens notes that Herod died in 4 BC, and that Quirinius was not governor of Syria during his tenure.

Hitchens refers to The Passion of the Christ as "a soap-opera film about the death of Jesus [...] produced by an Australian fascist and ham actor named Mel Gibson", who "adheres to a crackpot and schismatic Catholic sect". In Hitchens' view, the film attempts tirelessly to blame the death of Jesus on the Jews. Hitchens claims that Gibson did not realize that the four Gospels were not at all historical records, and that they had multiple authors, all being written many decades after the Crucifixion — and, moreover, that they do not agree on anything "of importance" (e.g., the virgin birth and the genealogy of Jesus). He cites many contradictions in this area.[20]

He further contends that the many "contradictions and illiteracies" of the New Testament, while written about at great length in other books, have never been explained except as "metaphor" and "a Christ of faith." He states that the "feebleness" of the Bible is a result of the fact that until recently, Christians faced with arguments against the logic or factualness of the Bible "could simply burn or silence anybody who asked any inconvenient questions."[21]

Hitchens points out the problematic implications of the scriptural proclamation "he that is without sin among you, let him cast a first stone" with regard to the practical legislation of retributive justice: "if only the non-sinners have the right to punish, then how could an imperfect society ever determine how to prosecute offenders?" Of the woman whom Jesus saved from the stoning (she having been charged with adultery), the author contends that Jesus thus forgives her of sheer sexual promiscuity, and, if this be the case, that the lesson has ever since been completely misunderstood.[22] Closing the chapter,[23] he suggests that advocates of religion have faith alone to rely on — nothing else — and calls on them to "be brave enough" to admit it.
Chapter Nine: The Koran Is Borrowed From Both Jewish and Christian Myths

Chapter nine assesses the religion of Islam, and examines the origin of its holy book, the Koran. Hitchens claims that there is no evidence for any of the "miraculous" claims about Muhammad, and that the Koran's origin was not supernatural. Hitchens contends that the religion was fabricated by Muhammad or his followers and that it was borrowed from other religious texts, and the hadith taken from common maxims and sayings which developed throughout Arabia and Persia at the time.

Chapter Ten: The Tawdriness Of The Miraculous And The Decline Of Hell

Chapter ten discusses miracles. Hitchens claims that no supernatural miracles occur, nor have occurred in history. Hitchens claims that evidence of miracles is fabricated, or based on the unreliable testimony of people who are mistaken or biased. Hitchens points out that no verifiable miracle has been documented since cameras have become commonplace. Hitchens uses a specific purported miracle by Mother Teresa to show how miracles can become perceived as true, when in fact they are based in myth or falsehood.

Chapter Eleven: Religion's Corrupt Beginnings

Chapter eleven discusses how religions form, and claims that most religions are founded by corrupt, immoral individuals. The chapter specifically discusses Cargo Cults, Pentecostal minister Marjoe Gortner, and Mormonism. Hitchens discusses Joseph Smith, the founder of Mormonism, quoting a March 1826 Bainbridge, New York court trial record convicting him of being a "disorderly person and impostor" who admitted at trial he had, in Hitchens's words, claimed supernatural powers and "admitting to defrauding citizens" four years before he claimed to find gold tablets containing the Book of Mormon. Smith told his neighbor that only he could view the tablets and had the man write down his dictated translation, which Hitchens says, aped the Old Testament. When the neighbor's skeptical wife buried 116 pages of the translation and challenged Smith to reproduce it again. After a few weeks, Smith claimed the original translation was corrupted but fortunately, he had another revelation and had found another set of plates no one else was allowed to see. Those plates got returned to the heavens after they were translated.

Chapter Twelve: A Coda: How Religions End

Chapter twelve discusses the termination of several religions, to illustrate that some religions are not everlasting, as they claim. The religions addressed include Millerism and Sabbatai Sevi.

Chapter Thirteen: Does Religion Make People Behave Better?

In chapter thirteen, Hitchens addresses the question of whether religious people behave more virtuously than non-religious people (atheists, agnostics, or freethinkers). Hitchens uses the battle against slavery in the United States, and Abraham Lincoln to support his claim that non-religious people battle for moral causes with as much vigor and effect as religious advocates.

Chapter Fourteen: There Is No 'Eastern' Solution

Hitchens dismisses Buddhism and Hinduism as conceits that seek to "put their [adherents'] reason to sleep ... and discard their minds"[24] in chapter fourteen, which focuses on maladaptive and immiserating Hindu and Buddhist feudalism and violence in Tibet and Sri Lanka. It touches on the lucrative careers of Chandra Mohan Jain and Sathyanarayana Raju and details his observations of "brisk fleecing", inane rituals, and unstable devotees witnessed during the author's staged pilgrimage to a Hindu ashram in Pune, which was undertaken in support of a BBC documentary.[25] He seeks to answer the question of "[h]ow might one easily prove that 'Eastern' faith was identical with the unverifiable assumptions of 'Western' religion?"[26] He concludes:


It ought to be possible for me to pursue my studies and researches in one house, and for the Buddhist to spin his wheel in another. But contempt for the intellect has a strange way of not being passive. One of two things may happen: those who are innocently credulous may become easy prey for those who are less scrupulous and who seek to "lead" and "inspire" them. Or those whose credulity has led their own society into stagnation may seek a solution, not in true self-examination, but in blaming others for their backwardness. Both these things happened in the most consecratedly "spiritual" society of them all."[27]

Chapter Fifteen: Religion As An Original Sin

Chapter 15 discusses five aspects of religions that Hitchens maintains are "positively immoral":
Presenting a false picture of the world to the credulous
The doctrine of blood sacrifice to appease gods (such as by the Aztecs)
The doctrine of atonement (harming innocent people to atone for sins)
The doctrine of eternal reward or eternal punishment
The imposition of impossible tasks or rules (including unhealthy views of sex)

Chapter Sixteen: Is Religion Child Abuse?

In chapter sixteen, Hitchens documents how religion has been used to cause harm to children. He cites examples such as genital mutilation, circumcision, and imposition of fear of healthy sexual activities such as masturbation. He also criticizes the way that adults use religion to terrorize children.
Chapter Seventeen: An Objection Anticipated

Chapter seventeen addresses the most common counter-argument that Hitchens says he hears, namely that the most immoral acts in human history were performed by atheists like Adolf Hitler and Joseph Stalin. Hitchens begins by saying "it is interesting that people of faith now seek defensively to say they are no worse than fascists or Nazis or Stalinists". He goes on to analyze those examples of immorality, and shows that although the individual leaders may have been atheist or agnostic, that religion played a key role in these events, and religious people and religious leaders fully participated in the wars and crimes.

Chapter Eighteen: A Finer Tradition: The Resistance Of The Rational

Chapter eighteen discusses several important intellectuals, including Socrates, Albert Einstein, Voltaire, Spinoza, Thomas Paine, Charles Darwin, and Sir Isaac Newton. Hitchens claims that many of these people were atheists, agnostics, or pantheists, except for Socrates and Newton. Hitchens says that religious advocates have attempted to misrepresent some of these icons as religious. Hitchens describes how some of these individuals fought against the negative influences of religion.

Chapter Nineteen: In Conclusion: The Need for a New Enlightenment

Hitchens argues that the human race no longer needs religion to the extent it has in the past. He claims that the time has come for science and reason to take a more prominent role in the life of individuals and larger cultures. He says that de-emphasizing religion will improve the quality of life of individuals, and assist the progress of civilization. It is in effect a rallying call to atheists to fight the theocratic encroachment on free society.

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 Re: Where have we heard this story before?...
Author: Tin-Kay Goh 
Date:   04-25-12 10:12

Tom, there is much truth in Hitchen's book. No one can deny that religious fervor kills more people in the last thousand years than viral and bacterial epidermics. Religion is a very personal matter and once evangelism gets a foothold, it creates fear and incarcerates the mind. How wrong has society in the past primed it's men to kill for God and Country! When I was traveling in Turkey, I passed by Gallipolli and wondered why all these young Canadians, Aussies and Kiwis were fighting on other people's soil. Gallipolli is actually a shameful defeat inflicted on Britian and her colonial allies by Kemal Ataturk. Ataturk issued a command that the Turks were not to defend their positions but to attack and die for their country. Reminds me of the English and French armies marshalled at Agingourt, and both praying to the same Catholic God to help them to achieve victory.

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 Re: Where have we heard this story before?...
Author: cheok hong chuan 
Date:   04-25-12 16:44

Looks like Chow Lee has done some research or at least not just open his mouth without prior thought.

Am I lucky or not? I am in a position where the likes of Tom Dragon and Chow Lee cannot touch me. Whatever position they take, Christopher Hitchens or anybody else, they cannot strictly quarrel with me. I have always taken the position that only humans need God and religion. I have always taken the position that the ‘gweilo’ egoistic Western corrupted Christianity is in fact evil and anti-Christ! So, you might presume that I should support Christopher Hitchens? No!

No matter how highly bombastic and idiotic and disparaging and swell-headed Christopher Hitchens gets, he is still down here on Earth! He still eats and shits like the rest of us. He does not go further than expressing a personal worldly view that such humans might be fools. Really! Might he not equally be as ‘foolish’ to infer that there is nothing beyond this world of humans? If so, why bother being a pain in somebody’s arse. Why not sit and rot, since there is no meaning to worldly existence, in the quiet and peace of his philosopher’s chair? What is his ‘solution’ if he perceives a ‘problem’?

The fact remains that humans being humans all suffer various forms of fear about mortality and other meaning to life’s tenuous existence. This plight which is analogous to an illness cannot be simply cured by calling somebody a fool. God and religion is a ‘hope’ of ‘salvation’ to many out of the misery and suffering of worldly existence. Christopher Hitchens can glow and glee in his academic intellect and affluence; but what has he done or is doing or can do to give alternative hope to alleviate or fix this spiritual emotional despair and despondency? I might not personally believe in it, but if someone seriously believe as a matter of spiritual faith that the sun is God, and he does not intrude or interfere with my private life, why should I interfere? If that is his spiritual hope, so be it. The point I am making is that if all Christians, Hindus, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists keep their faith to themselves personally and at home and leave it secular in public where they mix and co-mingle with others, who cares, whether they might in finality end up peeing or shitting in their pants?

Religion per se wherein it gives hope and solace to many in a suffering world is good on its own account for the relief of the stress and vagaries of life if not for the soul. Religion is inherently bad, when or where devotees or the faithful starts crossing the line and in the public arena or forum starts saying, there is God, and my God is the true God and that you should also pray to my God! I have persistently said that on the way up the spiritual mountain, it does not matter what route you take, and from which flank. It is a personal journey, and the ‘spirituality’ of that journey should work itself out, between you and whoever you desire to meet or encounter, God, maker or otherwise, come out in the wash, hopefully before you should die along the journey, on your personal journey up spiritual mountain.

In that sense anything taken with a worldly mind and a worldly heart and a worldly purpose can only be ‘provisional’ in one’s quest into the spiritual world. The spiritual remains a mystery, which can only unfold when you become spiritual and is in the spirit to enter and understand the spirit world, when you ‘die’. So, why all these foolish claims as to know what is over the other side, when you are still embattled with life’s issue on this side? Spiritual matters are by definition beyond human grasp and comprehension. Only a ‘spirit’ can understand spiritual matters! In making the personal journey, we have to pee or @!#$ our self. We might end up peeing and shitting on our selves or brains, in the end, but so what? It is only a spiritual quest! But by a worldly being, I repeat, but by a worldly being! So, the outcome cannot be certain, cannot be predicted, and cannot be guaranteed! Will we still eat and @!#$ and have sex in that other world? Who cares? Will my parents be there or the proverbial Mary Jane? It is certainly nobody else’s bloody business, let alone Christopher Hitchens.

It is like I do not agree how somebody should vote in the elections but I defend his right to vote! We are all spiritually entitled to ‘hope’ where there is ‘despair’ in our life! We should all allow people to go their high way and we go our low way to spiritual Loch Lomond. Shame on you Christopher Hitchens! You act as if you are smarter than the rest of the world. But in your lack of humanity you are the sum of the world!

I am primarily a Taoist/ Buddhist/ Confucianist; but I still remain a Jesuit Catholic; but that is my personal journey up the spiritual mountain. So, what is that to you Chow Lee and Tom Dragon? Are you at the same level in the Way of the Tao? If you keep kissing Christopher Hitchens’ arse, you are no Chinese! For a Chinese will not mind what another Chinese is, in terms of religion. Otherwise you will be saying a Hindu or Muslim or Christian Chinese is not Chinese! Ridiculous! Right?

CHC
26/4/12

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 Re: Where have we heard this story before?...
Author: Chow Lee 
Date:   04-25-12 20:22

If I was half as rude to you, as you consistently are towards me...

...Let's just say you reveal a great deal about your true self with your words.

Okay....this is when you fire back at me with some garbage about how I too, do the same. The difference is (more times than not) my position on things are generally political and you disagree...where as your position towards me is simply personal attack.

The fact is I took no position on the thread I started! You on the other hand jumped to conclusion...

"So, what is that to you Chow Lee and Tom Dragon? Are you at the same level in the Way of the Tao?"

Get over yourself and come down to earth...this is not about you! :-)

Chow Lee

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 Re: Where have we heard this story before?...
Author: cheok hong chuan 
Date:   04-25-12 23:42

Chow Lee,

It is all in the insinuation from all your posts, so generally inherently anti-Chinese. But I have to admit, and I do apologise for putting you in the same compartment as Tom Dragon, when in fact, you are both devious in different ways.

As far as this post is about anti-Christianity or otherwise, I apologise, for mishandling the flak. It was more directed at or meant for Tom Dragon, who thinks he knows Christianity more than Christians. There is nothing wrong with Christianity in its very essence; just that Westerners or 'gweilos' have corrupted it in their evil egoistic ways of hegemony and false illusion of supremacy and racial discrimination.

So when I am attempting to get Chinese Christians to continue to practise Christianity but to avoid the 'gweilo' corruption of it, there was no need to make it sound like it is wrong for a Chinese or in fact anybody to be a Christian!

CHC
26/4/12

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 Re: Where have we heard this story before?...
Author: Chow Lee 
Date:   04-26-12 08:02

I wish you would point to an anti-chinese post I have placed in the forum so we might discuss your feelings of how it is anti-chinese?

Chow Lee

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 Re: Where have we heard this story before?...
Author: tom Dragon 
Date:   04-26-12 08:45

What zup O'man Cheok?

What you are not happy with Christopher Hitchens? what's wrong with him?

he only lists the Geilow Problems that you are found to talk about:
The Geilo Abraham, the Geilo God believer Jews, the Geilo Roman Xtian Jews, the Geilo modern Xtians white or non-white, the Geilo bible writers bible scribes, the Geilo Moslems, the Geilo spirituallity of the mono God system ..didn't he give you what you want? Isn't it what you believe in, the Geilo going up the spiritual mountain of the Jacob's ladder?

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 Re: Where have we heard this story before?...
Author: tom Dragon 
Date:   04-26-12 09:10

lol he is like that Geilo Abraham, always came back for more.
if human sacrifice is fake, their God must be fake. nothing mysterious about that. A passer-by told Geilo Abraham to quit that superstition of human sacrifice belief system but he chose to go up and down of his spiritual mountain Jacob ladder. if that Geilo Abraham had got over that it would have been all over but he got stuck with stone age superstition which led the whole world to believe in superstition till these days.
The ancestors of the chinese had got over with human sacrifice all of that God cult belief system long time ago..only to plunge back with all the Geilo lying worship again because of the Geilo missionaries priests and preachers spreading their Geilo lies on chinese soil and elsewhere in the world. you will meet plenty ppl like Cheok, damned and confused.

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 Re: Where have we heard this story before?...
Author: tom Dragon 
Date:   04-26-12 09:12

lol he is like that Geilo Abraham, always came back for more.
if human sacrifice is fake, their God must be fake. nothing mysterious about that. A passer-by told Geilo Abraham to quit that superstition of human sacrifice belief system but he chose to go up and down of his spiritual mountain Jacob ladder. if that Geilo Abraham had got over that it would have been all over but he got stuck with stone age superstition which led the whole world to believe in superstition till these days.
The ancestors of the chinese had got over with human sacrifice all of that God cult belief system long time ago..only to plunge back with all the Geilo lying worship again because of the Geilo missionaries priests and preachers spreading their Geilo lies on chinese soil and elsewhere in the world. you will meet plenty ppl like Cheok, damned and confused. lol

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 Re: Where have we heard this story before?...
Author: tom Dragon 
Date:   04-26-12 09:20

uh oh you don't mean there is a Geilo prophet among us how could it be.
Suen is far from that, he is in admiration of you chowle.

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 Re: Where have we heard this story before?...
Author: tom Dragon 
Date:   04-26-12 09:29

[[Tom Dragon, who thinks he knows Christianity more than Christians.]]
If that's so I wouldn't have seek out that Gweilo Christophe Hitchens for you.

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 Re: Where have we heard this story before?...
Author: tom Dragon 
Date:   04-26-12 12:24

If you upset God and his ppl you are dead meat! you 'd either be killed by Pauline type of Xtians, Protestant type of Xtians, by US. GI Joe' s or by Jihadists. Even you do nothing to harm them your country and land will be taken away , your identity will be wiped out.

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 Re: Where have we heard this story before?...
Author: Paul Yih 
Date:   04-26-12 13:02

Next come Bush, born out of a fat and not so bright lady :) This dumb ass had blown away the US security - the US false global omnipotent status -- misused by the Jews like a "butt wipe" -- false Pax Americana (with Jewish money underneath it ) and ended rightfully the sixty plus US global bullism and thugism :) This crapyolla with virgin birth is indeed for the birds -- women without intercourse and have siblings -- her husband could have been impotent or just loving wearing his green hats, the way we put in Chinese -- Holy Spirit of the Holy Ghost can now be renamed the Holy @!#$ or Holy Dick :) Take your pick :) or Holy Prick :)

Paul Yih

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 Re: Where have we heard this story before?...
Author: Paul Yih 
Date:   04-26-12 13:05

Well, Suen, one never knows, maybe Chow Lee also comes from virgin births :) lol See that turd named Moses and where the hell did he come from, another bastard ditched by his own mom, no wonder he was so stupidly ungrateful to the Pharohs :) The same moron that had to be wondering forty years in Sinai where it took barely ten days for Lawrence -- Of Arabia to have crossed the entire region -- of course, they called it fable :) lol I called sun stroke lunacy .... this @!#$ had ended the cultural diversity of the one time Hebrews -- by worshiping any oxen, like even Chinese or anyone one culture that venerates an animal , who plows the field and who dies on the platters for others -- only some sun stroke , ungrateful talmud beater can change that cultural diversity of his own people -- by substituting him as the messenger of god -- Anyone says that nowadays should be banished or executed for such lunacy -- that is like sending these morons back to their father as the motherless bastard :)

Paul Yih

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 I thee baptized by eating pork and no circumcision :")
Author: Paul Yih 
Date:   04-26-12 13:08

Chow Lee and Lars, based on your past track record, this is a real Asiawind phorum baptismal to see your transformation, even from a nordic @!#$ to now wanting to be Asians amongst us :) That is a good step to the right direction, you need now to convert those @!#$ in Israel and their gang members in the US for the same conversion - to embrace real humanity by way of wisdom and soul -- and also , it won't be bad to begin to eat pork and stop circumcision, they may even get more sexual pleasure out of it , instead of early childhood sexual molestation :)

Paul Yih

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 Re: Where have we heard this story before?...
Author: Paul Yih 
Date:   04-26-12 13:09

Nei Suen yeso, yeso da gau nei :) lol

Paul Yih

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 Re: I thee baptized by eating pork and no circumcision :")
Author: tom Dragon 
Date:   04-26-12 13:12

somehow I knew that Lars was "one of us" :).

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 Re: I thee baptized by eating pork and no circumcision :")
Author: Paul Yih 
Date:   04-26-12 13:16

He loves to be one of us -- because the way the West is going forward will be going no where -- no one can be forced into religion , and with all the conditions and useless rituals ---- China by not having those CONDITIONALITIES -- we have a much less the GUILT driven west -- They need to decode their useless guilt senses -- They need to be decoded and a dosage of good human cure -- :) The West had neglected totally the non religious souls of men and that is why .. .

Paul Yih

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 Re: I thee baptized by eating pork and no circumcision :")
Author: tom Dragon 
Date:   04-26-12 13:27

either grow with us spiritually and scientifically can they keep up with us now that china is no more in regression but producing a lot of things like popular culture, sciences, goods and services, computers ..you name it..
Tell me about it the West can only kill and kill more even recruiting gaymen and local Janes as long as they can kill ppl with a blind eye encouraged and blessed by WhiteHouse's and army's Xtian high priests and chaplains.

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 Re: Where have we heard this story before?...
Author: Chow Lee 
Date:   04-26-12 16:36

You should not credit Bush by comparing him to a butt wipe. More like an enema.

Chow Lee

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 Re: Where have we heard this story before?...
Author: suen.kuen 
Date:   04-26-12 17:32

I hit Dec 25th birthdays and lo 'n beho.....Karl Rove born Dec 25, 1950 popped out!!
Is it any wonder the guy is kind of.....different?......sort of....above mundane laws!!??

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 Re: Where have we heard this story before?...
Author: Lea Tsang 
Date:   04-26-12 18:32

Ngor suen yeso. Is that a problem?

Lea Tsang

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 Re: Where have we heard this story before?...
Author: Paul Yih 
Date:   04-26-12 18:47

rove is on my HUM GAR SHOVELIST LIST..yes, for ten generations...yes, this one is also for Coyote... And his sympathy to the white collar criminals....:)

Paul Yih

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 Re: Where have we heard this story before?...
Author: Paul Yih 
Date:   04-26-12 18:58

not at all...A king man, a teacher of values, a man who learned to grow above and beyond,,,from the close minded Hebrews..::) can you not see my name Paul/Saul ? ;). But definitely different than those YESO nuts....from the right..They also get my HUM GAR SHOVEL award :) I hope you are not one of those YESU NUTZOS :)

Paul Yih

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 Re: Where have we heard this story before?...
Author: suen.kuen 
Date:   04-26-12 19:03

Bush the dubya has been known to talk with his 'higher' heavenly father also.....on a daily basis!
That would make him another Jesus-like figure......I 'd like Lea Tsang to be aware of that when he comes on here and challenge people like.....moi!

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 Re: Where have we heard this story before?...
Author: Lea Tsang 
Date:   04-26-12 19:08

More of a liberal yeso believer. I wouldn't force my views on anyone else and don't see why any other people should force their views either. Personal journeys at the end of the day whether you are spiritual or not.

Lea Tsang

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 Re: Where have we heard this story before?...
Author: suen.kuen 
Date:   04-26-12 19:10

I take it you are aware...I was going to add to my above post.....that the similarities of what Jesus preached were darn parallel to what our Chinese great philosopher 'Conficius' taught .
And, the Great Teacher were around Centuries before Jesus got born a virgin birth.

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 Re: Where have we heard this story before?...
Author: Paul Yih 
Date:   04-26-12 19:12

The entire resurrection deal by my count was fabricated....The various other gospels have been well selected by the disciples.. Jeses was a genuine man with compassion to many.. Including the socially rejected of prostitutes and lepers.. The same hypocritical Farasees would have allowed the money changers....but not the others,,,It shows with some bias with money... At that same time, in the economic zones amongst then the Roman conquerors,, I wonder the system of exchange.. With different regions,,coul have warranted such exchange.. I am still researching on this....

Paul Yih

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 Re: Where have we heard this story before?...
Author: Paul Yih 
Date:   04-26-12 19:20

amen.. DareI addAlleluia? :)

Paul Yih

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 Re: Where have we heard this story before?...
Author: Lea Tsang 
Date:   04-26-12 19:22

Talking or praying to God does not make you a Jesus like figure. It just means you have a relationship with God.

As for Confucius vs. Christianity, it's not a competition. The ten commandments which are similar to Confucius teachings were given long before the arrival of Jesus. But like I said it's not a competition. They can go hand in hand.

Lea Tsang

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 Re: Where have we heard this story before?...
Author: suen.kuen 
Date:   04-26-12 19:27

I'm also sure Confucius never declared himself the son of G-d. And, we Chinese didn't mythstified him also.

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 Re: Where have we heard this story before?...
Author: Paul Yih 
Date:   04-26-12 19:31

the beauty of our Chinese value is that none of them set forth any conditionalities...lthus we are much freer than those paranoids of sin, of he'll and the rest of the fear driven BS... But for the many, they like those god perimeters..they feel safe...to each of their own Suen...I have teased Coyote enough of his own pigeon hole.. In od HK. :)

Paul Yih

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 Re: Where have we heard this story before?...
Author: Lea Tsang 
Date:   04-26-12 19:47

No god perimeters but a lot of superstition.

Lea Tsang

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 Re: Where have we heard this story before?...
Author: tom Dragon 
Date:   04-26-12 21:34

Even Mother Theresa challenged Xtianity and the whole Gospel superstitious belief, that's why she is condemned by the Church and Popes till these days, if in the old time her bones would be dug up and burned to ashes.

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 Re: Where have we heard this story before?...
Author: tom Dragon 
Date:   04-26-12 21:56

Who you try to kid?
If you have a personal relationship with God(if such entity exists at all)you wouldn't need to go to church at all. Obviously, you have personal relationship with the preachers and church goers thus a group thing(far from personal.)

[The ten commandments which are similar to Confucius teachings ]]
Who you try to kid?

If all nations had learned Confucianism they'd be as wise as China, and that is not the case, look the world around youl.

Confucius is the chinese God if you like, though he doesn't require you to worship him nor give him animal sacrifice, he was a genuine teacher, like Laotzu and Buddha, these folks were not tainted by political bloodbath and bloodshed agendas against any nations, people and cultures. they have clean karma.

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 Re: Where have we heard this story before?...
Author: FM Liew 
Date:   04-26-12 21:58

“子不语怪力乱神”,“敬鬼神而远之” 。

Confucius is a very smart person. He avoid discussion on things of the "Unknowns".

According to what the "Bible" said[ based on impression ], Jesus, likes picking roses from the air...he talked lengthy about things he didn't understand nor comprehend....rather easy task to rationalize and sensationalize...like BBC or CNN.

Honestly I can do that too. 本小利大。

Many scientists and inventors died because of the cult called Christianity..... Throughout the century, many wars were fought and is fighting still, because of Jesus Christ...how many more people are going to die because of this evil cult....this is based on logical observation. 他可是个大神棍。

I don't care what you choose to believe, but if your beliefs crosses my understanding, I will get you, because what you believe may cause mayhem to others of mine concern. You could terrorize others because of what of believe.

Religion may be very personal thingy...but it tend to spill over. And worse of all, Christians tend to sway between logic and fantasy...like on a trance, as if devil is inside you...跳大神。

As for the ten commandments, try reading the original version..don't read the revised version[ god revised what he thought he knew so well ], don't read the translated ones, either. It sounded stupid, whether today, or yesteryear.

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 Re: Where have we heard this story before?...
Author: tom Dragon 
Date:   04-26-12 22:04

There are fold beliefs.
Abrahamic belief is also a folk belief.

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 Re: Where have we heard this story before?...
Author: FM Liew 
Date:   04-26-12 22:21

Religion is part of superstition.

Superstition is nothing without beliefs as guidelines.

Religion imposes the doth and what not. A simple example will be the "missionary position".

Quite a number of ex-British colonial nations still retain such Christian law. Singapore outlaw oral sex. So if anyone caught performing oral sex in Singapore, will either go to jail, fine, or both.

Funny thing is; Britain long abolish such law...

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 Re: Where have we heard this story before?...
Author: Paul Yih 
Date:   04-27-12 04:01

at the end of her life.. Indeed..she realized that her giving and sharing is all about human.. The relevance of god had not much meaning.. If not becomes a detriment... she did not say in those words.. But I sends that...

Paul Yih

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 Re: Where have we heard this story before?...
Author: Paul Yih 
Date:   04-27-12 04:13

fM.. Well said, those few words of Congucius had said all.. No need to chase something that is not attainable.. Confucius was wise man.. thus his focus in what we human can do and must do,, and leave out what gods and ghosting can do.. Religions as a culture with it's many cultural are fine..but when they turns into cults.. Obligating others..it becomes shallow and dangerous.. MY WAY OR NO WAY....:) the hypocritical way of conversion or forcing other to believe --as always, the man Christian lunatic have said"we love you to join us to our way to heaven.." with such a false conviction stemming from fear.. As to compare in what Buddha had said..Let me be in hell..so to spare others....These JEW gililt had created thais god monster.. From original sin, to the rest of the threats.. No wonder the behavior of the Jews and their obsession derived from the abuse of an uimaginary single male who know nothing of human sexuality , thus knows nothing of humanity....They all need their cultural therapy by embracing some Asian cultures :). Lol

Paul Yih

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 Re: Where have we heard this story before?...
Author: Paul Yih 
Date:   04-27-12 04:15

The entire ABRAHAMIC group need their new cultural and sexual therapy just to rid of their guilt :). Lol

Paul Yih

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 Re: Where have we heard this story before?...
Author: Paul Yih 
Date:   04-27-12 04:21

the entire Anglo American Christian group, from the eyes of the money changing Hebrew are merely their sub slaves,,, use them to wage false wars and to create false gains by the printing of paper currency.. Botching more, nothing less.. The Christian ought to called new Jews who are mere instruments for the greedy elites....just like early German mercenaries from Bavaria.. As pad mercenaries or conscripts to fight wars, no less then thse who had been sent to Vietnam, Iraq and now Afghanistan... One of these days,, these dummies will wake uo to see who are the real VILLAINS.. Then what?

Paul Yih

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 Re: Where have we heard this story before?...
Author: Lea Tsang 
Date:   04-27-12 04:37

Whether you worship alone or in a group the relationship with God is still a personal one. I find that going to church helps me to learn more about Christianity.

I don't know why atheists feel the need to challenge other people's beliefs just because they don't believe in God?

Lea Tsang

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 Re: Where have we heard this story before?...
Author: Paul Yih 
Date:   04-27-12 04:45

no one is blocking any one to go to any churches.. I attend Roman high mass to listen to old Gregorian chants.. Mexican mass for thie Mariachis in Tucson...as well as Macumba rituals in that African/ Brazilian cultural ritual with equal vigor.. In the appreciation of the "gratitude" of MAN.

Paul Yih

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 Re: Where have we heard this story before?...
Author: tom Dragon 
Date:   04-27-12 10:08

I not only challenge you but Xtians and Godcultists in general.

I believe in God but don't think they have any special power, the God culture is florishing in the Mediterranean Sea area for quite sometime, the Greek God Roman God Egyptian God the Abraham God, they are same.

the Catholic Church once claimed they are the only folks who have special personal relationship with God, the Protestants proved to them that's not true.
anybody can read the bible and with discerning mind.

When Xtians proselytize their religion, that is nothing personal anymore but becomes "public".

The Eastern religions and philosophies are personal ones because one differ than the other and nobody really know what the other Asians believe in, some ascetics do their meditation is in cave still . When an Asian claims that their belief is personal one that means they don't want Xtians to proselytize in their neighborhood or preach to them. Asians just don't like to disclose their belief to other Asian not alone Xtians hence their belief is truely personal one, or tell ppl how great their God is or claim their God is the only God, that is a no no , a taboo.

Thus the term "personal relationship with God" is bogus claim when Xtians or Godcultists brag about their God and claim they are special because their God is the only God etc etc. Millions of Jews died because of that.

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 Re: Where have we heard this story before?...
Author: Paul Yih 
Date:   04-27-12 10:12

geez, Tom, are you still obsessed with this godshit? amazing.... Every one from the bastards of Abraham takes claim their exclusixpvity and monopoly with god/dog... Only them , no one else:). leave them be.. That is one of the main ingredient to have them dumb down self destroy,, fratricide..and others by imbreeding...Let them puck themselves :) lol

Paul Yih

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 Re: Where have we heard this story before?...
Author: tom Dragon 
Date:   04-27-12 10:19

I have attended masses in Paris' Greatest Cathetrals .
I have taken retreats in French chalets where the meditationers there still yearn to learn from Asian mysticism and esoteric trainings....

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 Re: Where have we heard this story before?...
Author: tom Dragon 
Date:   04-27-12 10:29

well Paul am a deep believer in God, just that I have a certain standard, when fake Xtians cut and paste or repeat what they hear in bible study class and bring it here to this forum you will notice right the way, they usually repeating the same Logos or the usual claims.
The other day Cheok says he doesn't believe in the bodily resurrection of Jesus anymore, so maybe Lea would do the same.

Personal relationship/interaction with the ppl in this forum is real.
Personal relationship with God = fake.

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 Re: Where have we heard this story before?...
Author: Paul Yih 
Date:   04-27-12 10:34

Tom, enjoy all the rituals, those are cultures, need not to possessed or to be possed by any of them.. We go to mass, Jewish weddings, Chinese funerals.. A Muslim weddings.. Life is a cultural feast for me.. No need to impose any one of your faith.. I accept all prayers like Christmas cards, or birthday cards..Let them express them carry on with their expression of love, caring at their rituals.. Those ritual are learned cultures....I have bathed and swan naked in Germany, sun bathing naked in Scandinavia, in Brazil.. And yet I am capable to follow the Confucian codes in China.. Resisting the seduction of the minority tribal women in Yunan.. Do not judge their values or rituals.. Disregard their judgements.. As for the Jews, just by Chinese eating pork alone.. We have been objectified by their intrusive culture.. Greed, usury....and opium... In the Chinese written form of the word JIA , it is written with the form of a pig, with it's genital aiming upward,, it is the symbol of both virility and wealth...as in years past, by tying up a sow, a female pig by the house, it would be the invitation for the wild boar to "mate" and to create more piglets.. Yo have more piglets under the roof..meaning wealth and possession... we Chinese have no complexes with sexuality, much less guilt, unlike those ABRAHAMIC perverts:) They all more twisted Freudian sexual therapy by their mental orgy with mutual mental and physical mastubation between their religious leaders and their therapist......or THE-RAPIST... nah, not us Chinese, we know well of our sexual values, and our mothers need not to be of any GOD DAMN VIRGINS:))))

Paul Yih

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 Re: Where have we heard this story before?...
Author: Lea Tsang 
Date:   04-27-12 10:44

What I don't understand is why aetheists have to attack other people's religion just because others believe. If aetheists don't believe well that's fine by me but why are they so intent on bashing other people's religion. If they don't believe what do they care anyway?

When I pray to God, is that not a personal relationship with God?

Lea Tsang

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 Re: Where have we heard this story before?...
Author: tom Dragon 
Date:   04-27-12 10:48

it matters when one proselytizes in your own soil it intrudes on your peaceful way of life and destroy your culture. it happened all over the Americas, nations and natives were killed cultures were destroyed in both Norht and South Americas, lands were lost to the invading Xtians, gold was shipped back to Europe to golden the church, they Xtians were not invited. they forced in.

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 Re: Where have we heard this story before?...
Author: tom Dragon 
Date:   04-27-12 10:56

problem is when you pray to God, other God and spirit hear it too, presuming that God exists.
it's a showmanship to pray at all. that's what the ego would do. in fact, your prayer is not and different than anybody else's prayer, because Godcultists all have ego.
when someone claims he goes up the spirit mountain or to meet some kind of God up in the mountain, that's a showmanship. like Moses would do. that's what political ppl would do. ppl with agenda.

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 Re: Where have we heard this story before?...
Author: Lea Tsang 
Date:   04-27-12 11:05

That is the fault of man and greed and not of religion. Christianity is not meant to be forced on people. That is the fault of man.

Lea Tsang

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 Re: Where have we heard this story before?...
Author: tom Dragon 
Date:   04-27-12 11:08

That's what the White kids would tell me too on the internet.
but when they grow up, their mind will change.

do you think Xtians and Godcultists are little kids eh?
do you think Moses was a little kid? Abraham a little kid? Hitler(a Xtian) a little kid?

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 Re: Where have we heard this story before?...
Author: Lea Tsang 
Date:   04-27-12 11:10

How is it showmanship to pray alone silently in your mind? I don't just pray in a church in front of people.

Lea Tsang

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 Re: Where have we heard this story before?...
Author: tom Dragon 
Date:   04-27-12 11:16

to pray to carry conversation with God/spirit is the working of the mind or ego, whether silently in your own bedroom or in public it doesn't matter, it's the working of the ego.
that's why meditationer don't pray, they do something else with the mind.

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 Re: Where have we heard this story before?...
Author: Lea Tsang 
Date:   04-27-12 11:20

I don't understand. What has the white kids got to do with anything?

It's not just white people who have invaded territories. Yellow, brown and black people have done so too in the name of religion. If you are true believer of your religion you would not be fighting your neighbour in the first place.

Lea Tsang

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 Re: Where have we heard this story before?...
Author: Paul Yih 
Date:   04-27-12 11:24

what you care to believe is your own cultural and psychological guidance or path.. I loved my exposure to the Roman Catholics....even at that, there are many tribes of Roman Catholics..My baptismal by the Jesuits in Macao, my education of the SALESIANOS from Macao to Brazil..to my now engagement into the many tribal Indians in Brazil and in Latin America continues on my engagements with the many Catholic organizations.....But no longer I believe in hell or heaven, as in my other books,,from day one..as I was baptized..I have raised one question to the priest..What about my beloved grandma? Was she saved or be saved? the answer was that, most likely ske will be awaiting in "purgatory". at that moment..the MONKEY KING in me, as my guardian Angel" told myself "puck this" :). Well, I was only 8 then, I might not not have uttered those expletives...not literally..but that was the end of this false heaven Shinzo,, as you know, the concept of heaven by my mental attitude of Monkey King, who had clobbered the entire heaven army :). right...?

from the corner of my eye.. In thinking of my paternal grandma.. I could not have accepted that set of dogma....

in my years of research, in my cross cultural studies...my Brazilian, African Brazilian context...they all were transported to Brazil as slaves..unlike the cruel American form of the perverse of the Puritans,, they have destroyed immediately the only COMMUNICATION TOOL of these Africans...drums or percussion...But in Brazil..these African from West Africa..and they have managed to have transferred their "gods" and deities, by given them the saints of the Roman Catholics....and thus, their cultures had survived to have given the world of their musicality, their cultures that is still alive today...and well..

in both of the TUPI native culture in Brazil, and amongst the Yurubas of West Africa.. Speaking of rich culture of tolerance...In Africa of this region, they even have a god..whose sexual gender wii change very six months...they do kill off their homosexual members of their tribe....ublike the Hebrews and the New Jews, as we call them Christians...speaking of tolerance...The natives fear never of sex, we have the most gorgeous and strong natives,even today..and strong one..

The absence of not fear of sex....naturally, and instintively, including our own ethnic Chinese tribes in the Southwest , including the Miao, or Yih or many others... They want new blood and new genes.. Be that the early Etrucans in then in the Italian peninsula, their women bedded visitors..by my thinking, to fortify that genetic pool...to avoid inbreeding.. the Miao in China celebrates their NEWYEAR over aneroid of six weeks.. So their youngster can mingle with tribes far apart.....

this Shinzo with the desert bound JudeoChristian values can never become universal, with their fear of not only sex oe sexual value, but the propagation with the on going distortion about sex...from the bizarre sexual exchange of Adam and Evee, even the gesture of tha APPLE, has to be decoded and all about avoiding direct sexual contact or content....All the more about virgin birth, from the times of Egytians, the Messopotamians,,to the stupidity of the Christians to Queen , or self declared virgin Queen of Elizabeth...after many sexual encounters, no less than her debauchery dad..Henry the 8 who had copulated himself to death..died of Siphillis..with his body parts, literally dripping down into the streets of London......Then comes Freud and his psychoanalysis..I credit him for the exploration of unknown mental anguish of that time....as in China,, by way of the rigidity of sexual values..as I am now comparing this to the Victorian Era...If a young wife, loses her husband..in one of these old Chinese households.. Such woman can be reduced to become a upper level house maid servant..to serve the mother in law...worse when the woman have no son nor daughter.. Her sexual life is over..if not, by aging and with heightening of sexual desires...if she has any sexual affairs..she is better than dead for such scandal abpnd with "Confucian Code of Shame". . that is why so many young widows with no chidren rather commiiting suicide, at least they will be called "virtuous" spouse....

I have a new cure for all the sexual obsessed Catholics...even from the teaching of Aquines..and as one of the writer on sexual values...who had literally explaining how a"virgin birth" could have taken place...Again, let me remind you all that he called himself an avid,obsessive FORNICATOR. Sine the age of 16.....I have zero qualm of that..Afterall, it was puberty...I will bet he was no less FORNICATOR than the next 1000 years in the Roman Catholic Papal fornnicators...from the children of the Medicis ( Leo x) to the one before him, the entire Spanish Marano Jews, turned Catholic like those BORGIAS or BORJAS in Spanish, Hell, They even had made movies about them, the entire Holy Roman FORNICATOR Pops :)

my final recommendation for the sexual therapy to the entire human species is to learn and to emulate those sexual chimps of Benobos in Africa...This will be most appropriate for all of the descendant from Abraham and Mises..They will be learning far more about human sexuality and the damage they have done to the total perversion to the western culture....:)

happy Copulating away, my dearest Chimp cousins..Benobos , the only sexually happy ancestors of mine..with total pride :)

Paul Yih

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 Re: Where have we heard this story before?...
Author: Lea Tsang 
Date:   04-27-12 11:24

Working of the ego? Does that not mean talking to yourself? I pray to God not to myself. On the contrary I would have thought that meditating is talking to one's own self/ego.

Lea Tsang

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 Re: Where have we heard this story before?...
Author: tom Dragon 
Date:   04-27-12 11:25

what you tell me now , is what the Xtians kids told me on the web/internet.

but if what you say is true then the world official language would be a yellow's or African, or Native American, not English.

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 Re: Where have we heard this story before?...
Author: Paul Yih 
Date:   04-27-12 11:28

I have found that I have been psychologically misguided by the West, for the most part..I uttered "god" only when I was having orgasm...and I am still wondering why? ;) Can this be overly Pavlovian? WUFF..WUFF..throw me a bone :)

Paul Yih

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 masturbation can be a form of meditation
Author: Paul Yih 
Date:   04-27-12 11:30

ormeditation or the clearing stop to be meditative .

Paul Yih

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 Re: Where have we heard this story before?...
Author: tom Dragon 
Date:   04-27-12 11:30

not only yourself is ego, God is also the alter ego.
medition don't talk , they watch. I wouln't tell you all the secret method or you 'd be enlightened :)

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 Re: Where have we heard this story before?...
Author: tom Dragon 
Date:   04-27-12 11:34

I have same experiences as you.

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 Re: Where have we heard this story before?...
Author: Lea Tsang 
Date:   04-27-12 13:10

God is not my alter ego. God is God.

With regards to forcing religion on another country and people I still maintain that Christianity does not dictate this but it is man and his greed. You say only white man is guilty of this. What about Tibet? Did the Chinese not invade Tibetan territory and will Tibetan culture and language not be usurped by that of the Han? Again this has nothing to do with religion but man and his greed.

Lea Tsang

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 Re: Where have we heard this story before?...
Author: Paul Yih 
Date:   04-27-12 15:18

Tom, Americans in these past one hundred years have not the culture to expand into a permancy - the only culture they have installed and expanded wazs the Jew culture of usury and the Anglo Americans have been used like condoms -- and for wars only-- Nevertheless, the war culture did advanced much of the technologies including the Internet that we are now communicating with-- But nothing they have in so far about humanity can be lasted, because the Jew culture for even the Christians have their limitations --

On the other side, our Chinese culture is not god based or fear based will last as it had flourish since the time of Confucius -- 5 century before the common era -- and with the same consistency as we have today .. Is that not enough said ?

Yes, but English remains to be of the Language of the conquerors -- but time to have this languages bastardized by us-- by Asians and non Anglos :) It will be fun .. :) That is my own cultural , or deculturation game toward the Gweilos :)

Paul Yih

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 Re: Where have we heard this story before?...
Author: Lea Tsang 
Date:   04-27-12 16:14

I don't know where you live but you seem to associate all gweilos with anglo-americans. In Europe it's very different, we have many different languages and cultures.

Chinese culture to me seems to revolve very much around money and always has. I mean there is even a god of wealth which people pray to.

As for dominant language, who knows whether Chinese might become the international common language in a few decades or hundreds of years time. World domination by economics and not by colonisation.

Lea Tsang

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 Re: Where have we heard this story before?...
Author: Chow Lee 
Date:   04-27-12 16:38

"With regards to forcing religion on another country and people I still maintain that Christianity does not dictate this but it is man and his greed."

Well said. Albeit I am an atheist, I agree with you 100%.

Chow Lee

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 Re: Where have we heard this story before?...
Author: Lea Tsang 
Date:   04-27-12 16:45

Hello Chow!

I'm glad someone agrees with something I say.

Lea Tsang

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 Re: Where have we heard this story before?...
Author: Chow Lee 
Date:   04-27-12 18:27

This group can be very critical, even mean-spirited. Please stay, you can learn in here.

Chow Lee

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 Re: Where have we heard this story before?...
Author: suen.kuen 
Date:   04-27-12 18:59

Folks......on reading Lea Tsang up to this post of his, I'm ready to pounce at him.
I mean....its so obvious the guy is......muddled!

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 Hum gar shovel award
Author: Paul Yih 
Date:   04-27-12 21:33

yes, Chow, you better warn them we are also calling for HGSoveling all those Fartz Loonie Goonies who used to post @!#$ here, right? Remember that Hum Gar Shovel guy named LARS? :) lol. we are not only mean, we are nasty with those Opium HGS @!#$ of the chosen tribe in what they have done to 100 million Chinese..I think they need to be HGSHOVED. For 10 generations..what do you think? :)

Paul Yih

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 Re: Where have we heard this story before?...
Author: Paul Yih 
Date:   04-27-12 21:35

I can only grin.. I am smelling another Coyote..peep..peep :)

Paul Yih

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 Re: Where have we heard this story before?...
Author: Lea Tsang 
Date:   04-28-12 05:23

Suen Kuen,

This girl is not muddled. Just because I am Chinese it does not mean I can't be Christian too.

Seems like there is a bit of an old boys club going on here.

Lea Tsang

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 Re: Where have we heard this story before?...
Author: tom Dragon 
Date:   04-28-12 08:26

God is someone else' ego like that of Abraham's but can become yours , a passer-by told him not to believe in this kind of superstition anymore but he chose to cling on his ego, he can't change it. that ego of his can influence other ppl 's ego subsequently like that of the church and its followers, the bible writers , the so called prophets have even bigger ego, the Messiahs have their ego, it has no ending. Can a chinese girl become Xtian and cling to the God ego? of course she can, but she can also change, like Cheok, who now thinks the bible is as fake, corrupt and bogus as it can be. and don't forget like Paul and myself we are Xtians too. so you have companies :) , we just chose not to be corrupted by the bibl, by the bronze age writers ' ignorance and their bloody invention-the bible God, or paper God, and their lies after lies, cover ups after cover ups. we chinese are wiser, always had been.

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 Re: Where have we heard this story before?...
Author: suen.kuen 
Date:   04-28-12 09:12

Of-course you can do whatever you wish, Lea.
I only object to people pointing fingers and telling China (and hence all Chinese ) to do this do that when in fact, they don't know what they themselves truly are !

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 Re: Where have we heard this story before?...
Author: tom Dragon 
Date:   04-28-12 09:16

even the Falongoners don't want to become Xtian these days.

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 Re: Where have we heard this story before?...
Author: Lea Tsang 
Date:   04-28-12 09:32

Suen Kuen,

I'm not pointing any fingers or telling anyone what to do. None of my family are Christians and most of my friends are aren't either. I certainly do not tell them what to do so I would most certainly not tell a stranger either.

As for knowing what I am, I know that I am a human being regardless of race, nationality, ethnic origin or religious beliefs.

Lea Tsang

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 Re: Where have we heard this story before?...
Author: suen.kuen 
Date:   04-28-12 09:33

....and now and then one gets to hear quibs from none other but the D-La-Ma himself proclaiming....he is just a monk....inferring he ain't no bloody G-d-King nor any spiritual leader !!
I mean.....people like Lea Tsang the world over would prefer this muddled state of affairs to go on ?

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 Re: Where have we heard this story before?...
Author: Lea Tsang 
Date:   04-28-12 09:38

I never said that I supported the Dalai Lama.

I just gave an example of Tibet because Tom said that white people were the only people who invaded other people's territories.

In fact I am very anti the old feudal system in Tibet.

Lea Tsang

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 Re: Where have we heard this story before?...
Author: tom Dragon 
Date:   04-28-12 09:43

Tibet had always belonged to china since the Mongol controled Yuan dynasty. Tibetans still read and write Tibetan speak their own language. chinese never invaded Tibet.

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 Re: Where have we heard this story before?...
Author: tom Dragon 
Date:   04-28-12 09:47

she is a political may4th(Tien anmen) type of democratic zealot who knows, the movement is heating up again in HK.

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 Re: Where have we heard this story before?...
Author: Lea Tsang 
Date:   04-28-12 09:48

Yes, it depends how far back you go in history with regards to Tibet and China. If Tibet belonged to China since Yuan Dynasty, this would suggest it was an independent state prior to that.

With the enormous influx of Han into Tibet will Tibetans not eventually lose their language and culture? We will have to wait and see.

Lea Tsang

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 Re: Where have we heard this story before?...
Author: Lea Tsang 
Date:   04-28-12 09:53

No I am not typical June 4th (6/4) type of democratic zealot. I always supported China in what she did on 6/4. I want to see a stable prosperous China and not one that would collapse if supremacy of the Communist Party were challenged.

You don't know anything about me and you go about assuming.

Lea Tsang

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 Re: Where have we heard this story before?...
Author: tom Dragon 
Date:   04-28-12 09:56

when Tang dynasty was at its last breath, Tibetans and their kings swooped down from their hills and finished it off. Nowadays the Tibetans regard the chinese as their Zen-elderbrother while chinese regard the Tibetans as their "spiritual mountain top" because of their special location.

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 Re: Where have we heard this story before?...
Author: Lea Tsang 
Date:   04-28-12 10:02

Very poetic Tom.

Personally I would like to see Tibet stay Chinese. I think that the people of Tibet have a better standard of life than before when they were ruled by the monks.

Lea Tsang

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 Re: Where have we heard this story before?...
Author: suen.kuen 
Date:   04-28-12 10:20

You used words....Invade;Tremendous Han Influx; Cultural genocide ......on Tibet by Han Chinese; That during Yuan dynasty Tibet was completely subsumed in everyway by the Mongols infeered in you Tibet prior to that was once independant.
And you say you are for Tibet not to seperate.
Dalai says the same thing too...his motto to Beijing is .....'Give me Money and Stay out' for Tibet to remain Chinese!

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 Re: Where have we heard this story before?...
Author: suen.kuen 
Date:   04-28-12 10:41

Another TAM nut. The day China is able to wean away the relaionship with USA on economic basis, the truths will come out to correct the wrong blames and snare the real culprits. The ICC better shape up by that time as there will be calls for justice and heads to roll from the same Lea Tsang bunch of TAM nuts plus mainstream people like......yours truly here.

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 Re: Where have we heard this story before?...
Author: Lea Tsang 
Date:   04-28-12 10:53

Saying that Tibet was once invaded by China does not mean that I am pro Tibet being an independent state again.

It's like saying England once invaded Scotland but it does not mean I want a an independent Scotland.

You like to think that you are the only pro China person in the World and that the whole World is against you. Big chip on your shoulder?

Lea Tsang

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 Re: Where have we heard this story before?...
Author: Tin-Kay Goh 
Date:   04-28-12 11:11

Suen, good to hear from you. I think Lea is a lady, so we may have to be gentle with her. She appears to be innocent and much taken up with the profound philosophical views of Hong Chuan.

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 Lea, do not believe in DLLM despite his charisma
Author: Tin-Kay Goh 
Date:   04-28-12 11:23

Suen, I agree with you about the DLLM. His followers all over Tibet think that they can get free meals and lodging by reading scriptures and doing incantations while the poor farmers and Chinese subsidies maintain their lifestyle. I get upset when Congress and Western governments give him a red carpet despite knowing he is an agitator and creating problems with his unofficial sanction of self immolation by publicised burning. His books on Buddhist wisdom are actually recycled Chinese wise sayings.

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 Re: Hum gar shovel award
Author: Chow Lee 
Date:   04-28-12 11:48

I have read over 40,000 random posts since I have been here. I recall lars,, joe, and many others who have disappeared.

and?

Chow Lee

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 Re: Where have we heard this story before?...
Author: Paul Yih 
Date:   04-28-12 20:43

interesting about apathy.. And value neutral.. When cars are shifted in pto the neutral zone,,, it goes no where...:) likewise in and amongst human beings...

Paul Yih

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 Re: Where have we heard this story before?...
Author: Paul Yih 
Date:   04-28-12 20:45

these folks deserve another HRS award :)

Paul Yih

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 Re: Where have we heard this story before?...
Author: suen.kuen 
Date:   04-29-12 00:01

Dr Goh....ain't it nice to be able to talk like Hong Chuan to have women (Lea Tsang Incl) totally captivated !!?? ;) ;)
Good to see you back after so ....so many years. Shortly after I found this web your postings stopped. And, that was almost 10 years ago!

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 Re: Where have we heard this story before?...
Author: Chow Lee 
Date:   04-29-12 13:08

Now you are beginning to understand the way those who are insecure and filled with unbridled anger, think! Remember I said you can learn here? ;-)

Chow Lee

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 Re: Where have we heard this story before?...
Author: suen.kuen 
Date:   04-29-12 14:43

Does it cross that.....skull of yours and ask:-'How does China get to be so big?'

Yeah.....fighting off intruders and gobbling up the intruders' habitats over the milleniums. ....to now 56 tribes amalgamated into one big family known as China.
Tibetans no different; at one time their 'King' almost conquered China too. As far as history goes the Tibetans brought it upon themselves to be conquered by China and ......that's it.

Get it thru for once for goodness sake.....No bloody... 'Invade'.... wordings please , if , you are Chinese.

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 Re: Where have we heard this story before?...
Author: Lea Tsang 
Date:   04-29-12 15:49

Yes, some people sure seem to be angry for no reason at all. You disagree with them, they get angry. You agree with them, they get angry! There's no pleasing some people.

Still you can learn about history and culture from them even though sometimes they get a bit enthusiastic!

Lea Tsang

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 Re: Where have we heard this story before?...
Author: Lea Tsang 
Date:   04-29-12 16:07

No different to the white people then?

Gobbling up? Invade? Conquer? Same difference!

Since time immemorial man has been invading, conquering or gobbling up other people's territory no matter what ethnic origin they are

Lea Tsang

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 Re: Where have we heard this story before?...
Author: cheok hong chuan 
Date:   04-29-12 16:27

For the record I have always said that Tibet has been historically and spiritually, and will always be, a part of the antiquity that is China.

The Yellow Emperor said - we are men of the Middle Kingdom - our boundaries are Mountains to the South, Oceans to the East and Deserts to the West and North - outside that are the devils.

As a Buddhist, the Dalai Lama is wrong whenever he opens his mouth to speak on ethnic or secular things. Every time he does so, he is speaking with an 'ego'! That is why it is spiritually 'wrong'.

As long as he sticks to "Emptiness" and the 'Silence that booms like White Thunder', he will still be one of my Mahayana Buddhist leaders representing Guanyin and the Western Pure Land.

So, I am against the secular man but not the spiritual man in him.

CHC
30/4/12

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 Re: Where have we heard this story before?...
Author: suen.kuen 
Date:   04-29-12 17:23

Exactly right, Lea. Human(s) have been gobbling, invading, killing each other to expand their territories since time memorial and, Chinese have been no different . Our primal instincts are still intact except that we've stopped doing that long before England, France, Germany and the present days most notorious....USofA was in any semblance as a nation, as we'd seen how futile and meaningless coveting other's territories can be.
So, choose your wordings carefully to avoid being called somth'n else by me.
We Chinese have not conquered nobody.

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 Re: Where have we heard this story before?...
Author: cheok hong chuan 
Date:   04-29-12 17:34

For the record I have always said that Tibet has been historically and spiritually, and will always be, a part of the antiquity that is China.

The Yellow Emperor said - we are men of the Middle Kingdom - our boundaries are Mountains to the South, Oceans to the East and Deserts to the West and North - outside that are the devils.

As a Buddhist, the Dalai Lama is wrong whenever he opens his mouth to speak on ethnic or secular things. Every time he does so, he is speaking with an 'ego'! That is why it is spiritually 'wrong'.

As long as he sticks to "Emptiness" and the 'Silence that booms like White Thunder', he will still be one of my Mahayana Buddhist leaders representing Guanyin and the Western Pure Land.

So, I am against the secular man but not the spiritual man in him.

CHC
30/4/12

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 Re: Where have we heard this story before?...
Author: Lea Tsang 
Date:   04-29-12 17:46

You used the word conquered yourself in a previous post but it doesn't matter.

I do however agree that the Chinese have not been going to war with other countries and have been staying out of other people's business unlike it's Western counterparts.

I do so hate it when the US or UK start to meddle in other people's affairs.

Lea Tsang

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 Re: Where have we heard this story before?...
Author: suen.kuen 
Date:   04-29-12 17:52

The man has nothing in him......spiritually and secularily......void!
You see ! You see!

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 Re: Where have we heard this story before?...
Author: Chow Lee 
Date:   04-29-12 23:09

What will be most interesting to see is what china does as she finally gains the ability for true blue ocean-lift of military wares across thusands of kilometers. Rigth now China is gaining this for the first time ever. Already her neighbors are feeling the heat. Will she become the new imperialist state? The next few years will very interesting to observe.

Chow Lee

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 Re: Where have we heard this story before?...
Author: suen.kuen 
Date:   04-30-12 00:13

What's in your psyche that China will do when she become true-blue ...maritime-wise??
Sure like to know what has the likes of you get scarred on!

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