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 China sells 40 ARJ-21-700 regional aircraft to Indonesia for $1.2 billion
Author: Martin Su 
Date:   03-23-12 12:50

http://i.imgur.com/GnnNz.jpg
Indonesia buys 40 ARJ-21-700 aircraft for $1.2 billion. Look below the windows in front of the fuselage for the ARJ-21 logo.

http://news.ifeng.com/mil/2/detail_2012_02/24/12766487_0.shtml

"民航资源网2012年2月24日消息:印度尼西亚一名航空官员20日表示,印尼鸽航(Merpati Nusantara Airlines)将通过购买中国的ARJ21-700飞机来拓展其机队规模。印尼鸽航总裁萨尔佐诺(Sardjono Jhony Tjitrokusumo)表示,在印度尼西亚企业部长余世甘(Dahlan Iskan)的见证下,14日鸽航签署了购买40架ARJ21-700飞机的谅解备忘录。ARJ21-700支线客机可搭载100人,约单价3000万美元。目前,鸽航共运营有35架各类型飞机"

Translation:

"2012.02.24 Indonesian official indicated Merpati Nusantara Airlines had ordered China's new ARJ21-700 aircraft to expand their fleet size. Mr Sardjono Jhony Tjitrokusumo (CEO of Merpati Nusantara Airlines) had signed the agreement with China Aviation Import & Export Corporation to buy 40 ARJ21-700 regional aircraft.

ARJ21-700 aircraft can carry 100 passengers. The unit price is approximately $30 million."

[Note: Thank you to Mpleio for the newslink and translation.]

Martin Su

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 Re: China sells 40 ARJ-21-700 regional aircraft to Indonesia for $1.2 billion
Author: Chow Lee 
Date:   03-23-12 13:23

Thirty million is a great value for such an aircraft. How is its safety record?

Chow Lee

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 good for cross straits flights?
Author: mr. bean 
Date:   03-23-12 18:02

i think ARJ21-700 will sell like hotcakes in china alone. any foreign sales is like dessert after a buffet. domestic airlines will use this plane for all those 2nd & 3rd tier cities travellers. perfect product for a niche market, it carries 100 passengers and at approx $30 million each. it would be nice to see this little plane also serve taiwan domestic routes like between taipei-kaoshioung. or perhaps cross straites flights between small cities xiamen-taichung.

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 Re: China sells 40 ARJ-21-700 regional aircraft to Indonesia for $1.2 billion
Author: FM Liew 
Date:   03-23-12 18:33

So far so good compared to most western and Russian built.

Zero crash record....since 1800s.

What is your problem?

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 Re: China sells 40 ARJ-21-700 regional aircraft to Indonesia for $1.2 billion
Author: Chow Lee 
Date:   03-23-12 20:47

My problem? I asked about the aircraft safety record. I'm not sure but perhaps you should examine your harsh interpretatino of what you continously perceive.

Chow Lee

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 Re: China sells 40 ARJ-21-700 regional aircraft to Indonesia for $1.2 billion
Author: FM Liew 
Date:   03-23-12 21:33

Are you asking stupid question again?

Zero crash, is the ultimity of all safety record.

Perhaps what you need is an audience of morons, and down syndrome.

This forum is certainly not up to your "standard".

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 Re: China sells 40 ARJ-21-700 regional aircraft to Indonesia for $1.2 billion
Author: yewtai 
Date:   03-24-12 00:20

Does Boeing and Airbus has a perfect flawless safety record ?

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 Re: China sells 40 ARJ-21-700 regional aircraft to Indonesia for $1.2 billion
Author: yewtai 
Date:   03-24-12 05:32

Airbus: 2,000 jobs at risk over China order freeze

http://news.yahoo.com/airbus-2-000-jobs-risk-over-china-order-152350748.html

GENEVA (AP) — The head of Airbus says up to 2,000 jobs are at risk because Chinese airlines have frozen orders for 55 jets worth $14 billion in protest at the European Union's emissions trading plan.

Airbus CEO Tom Enders says the move jeapordizes 1,000 jobs at the company in Europe and another 1,000 in its supply chain.

Enders spoke Thursday at an airline industry meeting in Geneva.

The EU introduced the trading system at the start of the year as part of European efforts to reduce global warming.

Airlines flying to or from Europe must obtain certificates for carbon dioxide emissions.

The United States, China, Russia, India and many other countries are opposed and say the bloc cannot impose taxes on flights outside its own airspace.


Kaos is good for soul •

Not all that surprising. The plan is to punish others for Europe's decades of polluting its environment. Keep in mind if you punish Chinese airlines, you are punishing the Chinese government and they don't handle that too well. If China does not care about polluting its own air to unhealthy levels, why would the Chinese government care about polluting Europe's air to make a buck.

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 Re: China sells 40 ARJ-21-700 regional aircraft to Indonesia for $1.2 billion
Author: Chow Lee 
Date:   03-24-12 10:17

FM, safety record includes more than crashes. Why do you endlessly conclude such things are designed as a leading question?

The ARJ aircraft in question is a fine plane although it has been plagued with delays in design and production. However static testing has revealed wing weakness. This actually was a huge saftety concern for the manufacturer who delayed delivery of current orders to work out this safety issue.

Perhaps not always going from A to Z and realizing there is B,C, D.... might be a good idea for you before your leap off a cliff in anger? I thought you were all about objectivity?

Chow Lee

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 Re: China sells 40 ARJ-21-700 regional aircraft to Indonesia for $1.2 billion
Author: Chow Lee 
Date:   03-24-12 10:24

For the record. The production drawings of this aircraft are copies of MD-90 drawings. Identical.

Chow Lee

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 MD-90 and ARJ-21-700 are completely different classes of aircraft
Author: Martin Su 
Date:   03-24-12 11:07

ARJ-21-700 has a seating capacity of 100 passengers.

MD-90 has a seating capacity of 172 passengers.

It's like comparing a Chevrolet to a Suburban. They are two totally different classes of vehicles.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonnell_Douglas_MD-90

"The MD-90 has a seating capacity of up to 172 passengers and was introduced into service with Delta Air Lines in 1995."

Martin Su

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 Re: China sells 40 ARJ-21-700 regional aircraft to Indonesia for $1.2 billion
Author: FM Liew 
Date:   03-24-12 12:03

No. I don't understand your perception, and your protocol on safety.

Logically, a plane that don't have any crash is the ultimity for safety record...

No wonder so many people died of drug poisoning.....just because the drugs lookie good on theory....it's safe for consumption....according to your logic on safety.

Sound like a cult to me..

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 Re: MD-90 and ARJ-21-700 are completely different classes of aircraft
Author: Chow Lee 
Date:   03-24-12 16:58

The engineering is all McDonald Douglas based, as the manufacturer in China is licensed to produce MD-90 parts from original MD-90 design. Please do your homework and read the history of your ARJ.

Chow Lee

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 Re: MD-90 and ARJ-21-700 are completely different classes of aircraft
Author: Chow Lee 
Date:   03-24-12 17:23

Class and design are two different things...

Begin here...

http://wpedia.goo.ne.jp/enwiki/Comac_ARJ21

Then go...

http://www.mashpedia.com/Comac_ARJ21
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COMAC_ARJ21


Do you know what "tooling" is as it relates to aircraft manufacture? It does not mean that a worker uses the same type of hammer or screwdriver. It means a very specific tool is created to make a very specific part and that one part is all it makes and the specifications cannot be changed. For instance, if the "tool" is a manufacture line that makes a 90 degree curved 18cm aluminum fuel line that is all it makes. The identical tooling was used for most parts of your aircraft after China acquired licensing rights to produce parts for the MD-90.

I am sorry to burst you buble, but your aircraft is not a new and unique aircraft. It is a Chinese spin on the MD-90. Once again China has not created an original. It has taken another's design and used most components to build and license its almost identical product. The vast majority of the avionics are from Europe and America. Yes, china decreased the fuselage length but that does not make it original. Even the fuselage cross section itself is MD-90, down to the mm!

That in no way means it is not a good aircraft, nor does it mean China is not creating good aircraft and selling them at a good price. I am proud of this achievement by China, so please do not take this the wrong way.

Regards.

Chow Lee

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 Re: China sells 40 ARJ-21-700 regional aircraft to Indonesia for $1.2 billion
Author: Chow Lee 
Date:   03-24-12 17:25

There you go again...letting your anger and frustration get the best of you.

Be nice! ;-)

Chow Lee

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 Re: China sells 40 ARJ-21-700 regional aircraft to Indonesia for $1.2 billion
Author: FM Liew 
Date:   03-24-12 17:58

You perceived anger sprouting from me?

Gee, I have the same perception about you.

Maybe you are not only biologically stupid, you could also be suffering from mental disorder.:o)

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 You cited Wikipedia three times without a reputable source
Author: Martin Su 
Date:   03-24-12 18:24

I read all three Wikipedia articles. They regurgitated the same unsubstantiated claim. There was no reputable source for a DC-9 derivative. It is a derivative in the sense that the engines are in the aft fuselage position.

The only other choice is to place the engines under the wing. However, you would claim it's a Boeing derivative. I'm pretty sure the first wagon with four wheels was built in China. Therefore, I claim all Western cars are Chinese derivatives.

Similarly, all Western rockets are derivatives of the first Chinese rockets. They follow the long cylindrical Chinese design with the firecracker/rocket engine at the base.

Martin Su

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 The designer for ARJ-21-700 is Wu Guanghui
Author: Martin Su 
Date:   03-24-12 18:34

Lars, your stupid claim is that the ARJ-21-700 is a copy of the MD-90. However, that is impossible. The specifications for the two planes are completely different.

ARJ-21-700 length is 33.46m. Wingspan is 27.28m.

MD-90 length is 46.5m. Wingspan is 32.87m.

The designer for ARJ-21-700 is Wu Guanghui. He sounds Chinese to me.

http://www.centreforaviation.com/analysis/comac-announces-orders-for-100-aircraft-the-big-four-gecas-and-cdb-leasing-get-on-board-39890

"Nov 16, 2010 – C919 is a “big deal” for China; ARJ21 has around 240 firm orders ... for 2000 C919 aircraft according to Wu Guanghui, Chief Designer of the aircraft. ... Since the first trial flights in Nov-2008, ARJ21-700 jets have completed ..."

Martin Su

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 Correction: ARJ-21-700 designer is Chen Yong
Author: Martin Su 
Date:   03-24-12 18:40

Both ARJ21 chief designer Chen Yong and deputy-chief designer Zhou Jisheng sound Chinese to me.

http://atwonline.com/aircraft-engines-components/news/arj21-wins-100-orders-avic-international-1118

"Nov 19, 2010 – COMAC ARJ21 Chief Designer Chen Yong noted that the regional jet is in the phase of making test flights and gaining certification from CAAC."

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2010-11/24/content_11600318.htm

"Nov 24, 2010 – What matters most is whether the planes can sell well," said Zhou Jisheng, ARJ21's former deputy-chief designer. "Uncertainties remained ..."

Martin Su

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 Re: China sells 40 ARJ-21-700 regional aircraft to Indonesia for $1.2 billion
Author: Chow Lee 
Date:   03-24-12 18:46

It just seems to me that you end every post with a peronal insult FM?

Chow Lee

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 Re: MD-90 and ARJ-21-700 are completely different classes of aircraft
Author: Chow Lee 
Date:   03-24-12 18:47

^ a b "'Flying Phoenix' is China's second homegrown commercial aircraft, the first being the Shanghai Y-10". Associated Press. TheRecord.com. http://news.therecord.com/Business/article/286248. Retrieved 2007-12-24.
^ "ACAC selects General Electric to power ARJ21". GE Aviation. http://www.geae.com/aboutgeae/presscenter/cf34/cf34_20021104.html. Retrieved 2002-11-04.
^ "Rockwell Collins announces first delivery for ARJ21". Rockwell Collions. http://www.rockwellcollins.com/news/page8116.html. Retrieved 2006-07-27.
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^ information on COMAC's website (Chinese)
^ Latest delays due to wing problems Information (English)
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^ "COMAC ARJ21 - program supplier guide". Airframer.com. http://www.airframer.com/aircraft_detail.html?model=ARJ21. Retrieved 2010-06-02.
^ a b c d "Three carriers place ARJ21 orders". Flight International (Reed Business Information). 2003-09-23. http://www.flightglobal.com/Articles/2003/09/23/171605/Three+carriers+place+ARJ21+orders.html. Retrieved 2006-07-03.
^ "ARJ21 orderbook climbs to 41 as Xiamen signs up". Flight International (Reed Business Information). 2004-08-03. http://www.flightglobal.com/Articles/2004/08/03/185359/ARJ21+orderbook+climbs+to+41+as+Xiamen+signs+up.html. Retrieved 2006-07-03.
^ Although the Xiamen order for six was reported in some press as firm, ACAC's own web site still shows them as "options".
^ "Ceremony inaugurates Chinese jet". Flight International (Reed Business Information). 2007-11-21. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/7155452.stm. Retrieved 2008-01-02.
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^ By: K.K. Chadha. "China lays plans for ARJ21-900". AINonline. http://www.ainonline.com/news/single-news-page/article/china-lays-plans-for-arj21-900/?no_cache=1. Retrieved 2010-10-25.
^ "GE Commercial Aviation Services Announces Purchase of Five ARJ21-700ER Regional Jet Aircraft from Commercial Aircraft Corporation of China, LTD (COMAC); Options for Additional 20 Aircraft". R. 2008-11-21. http://www.gecas.com/news20080511.asp. Retrieved 2010-07-20.
^ "China Eastern, AVIC I launch Joy Air". Flight International (Reed Business Information). 2008-04-01. http://www.avbuyer.com.cn/e/2008/22420.html. Retrieved 2008-04-01.
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Chow Lee

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 Re: Correction: ARJ-21-700 designer is Chen Yong
Author: Chow Lee 
Date:   03-24-12 18:50

Yes...there was a designer of the jet in question...of course. He took parts, shapes, pieces from the MD-90.

As far as reliable sources. Go back to wiki, then look at the bottom of the page. Every citation is listed. That was the entire point...wiki draws from other sources.

Chow Lee

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 Every source is listed if you go back and scroll down.
Author: Chow Lee 
Date:   03-24-12 18:51

Martin, go back to the Wiki article, scroll down to the bottom of the page where every single citatin is listing and begin reading where the data was compiled from.

Chow Lee

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 The engines are designed and built by the USA....
Author: Chow Lee 
Date:   03-24-12 18:57

http://www.geaviation.com/aboutgeae/presscenter/cf34/cf34_20021104.html

"ZHUHAI, China - AVIC I Commercial Aircraft Co. Ltd. (ACAC) of China today signed a cooperative Letter of Intent with GE selecting GE's CF34-10A engine to power the ARJ21 regional jet now in development.

ACAC and GE see a potential market for 500 ARJ21s over the next 20 years, representing a potential value to GE of $3 billion.

Development of the ARJ21 represents the next phase in China's rapid expansion of its aviation market. Fueled by the country's tremendous economic growth over the past decade, revenue passenger miles have increased significantly. There are currently 50 new airports scheduled for construction within China over the next five years to meet the higher demand. As a result, feeder traffic - the segment serviced by regional jets - could grow 12% annually over the next 20 years.

The CF34-10A engine, which has been selected to power both the 79-passenger and the 99-passenger ARJ21 aircraft, is part of GE's best-selling CF34 family for regional jets. To date, GE has received firm and option orders for more than 5,600 CF34 engines, of which about 1,400 have been delivered.

The ARJ21 is being designed to meet the demanding conditions of China's diverse environment, specifically the hot temperature and high altitude conditions experienced on many routes in Western China. The advanced technology of the CF34-10A is ideally suited to this aircraft. The engine will not only provide the thrust capability to meet aircraft performance requirements, but will also give customers low-cost operations with a highly reliable, easily maintainable propulsion system.

"The ARJ21 program is an outstanding achievement for China, and we are honored to be a part of it," said David Joyce, general manager of Small Commercial Engine Programs at GE Transportation Aircraft Engines. "GE has been doing business in China for nearly 100 years, and our commitment to China has never been stronger: working together to develop great products for global markets. We're committed to working with AVIC 1 to help ensure the long-term success of this program and the continued growth of Chinese aviation."

GE began working with Chinese industry in 1910, when the first GE light bulb was produced there. Today, the relationship encompasses advanced research and development, including: a new 38,000-square-meter facility in Shanghai; joint ventures in high technology industries such as medical systems, plastics and lighting products; and aircraft engine maintenance facilities, training, and component manufacturing. GE has formed more than 30 different joint ventures and employs more than 9,000 people in China, representing a $1.5 billion investment.

GE Transportation, a division of General Electric Company (NYSE: GE)is the world's leading manufacturer of jet engines for military and civil aircraft, including engines produced by CFM International, a 50/50 joint company of Snecma Moteurs of France and GE. GE Transportation also manufactures gas turbines, derived from its highly successful jet engine programs, for marine and industrial applications. In addition, GE Transportation provides comprehensive maintenance support, through its GE Engine Services operation, for GE and non-GE jet engines in service throughout the world..
"

Chow Lee

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 Re: China sells 40 ARJ-21-700 regional aircraft to Indonesia for $1.2 billion
Author: FM Liew 
Date:   03-24-12 20:11

Is that how you perceive it?

I guess that is just your very own limited perception. Lol..

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 Re: China sells 40 ARJ-21-700 regional aircraft to Indonesia for $1.2 billion
Author: Chow Lee 
Date:   03-24-12 20:31

Please allow me to jog your selective memory...

"Maybe you are not only biologically stupid, you could also be suffering from mental disorder.:o)"

Chow Lee

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 Re: China sells 40 ARJ-21-700 regional aircraft to Indonesia for $1.2 billion
Author: FM Liew 
Date:   03-24-12 20:34

True words arn't beautiful.
Beautiful words arn't true.

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 No. The most critical and untrue claim has no primary source.
Author: Martin Su 
Date:   03-24-12 21:00

You are incorrect. There are citations for aircraft history.

There is no primary citation in the article to the ridiculous claim that the ARJ-21-700 is a MD-90 copy.

Martin Su

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 Some subcontractors are from U.S. to accelerate accreditation by FAA
Author: Martin Su 
Date:   03-24-12 21:06

There are good reasons to use some American subcontractors for the ARJ-21-700. Firstly, it will lessen the time for accreditation by the FAA. The American subcontractors are already familiar with the procedures.

Secondly, it will lessen the trade imbalance between the United States and China.

Thirdly, you still lack any common sense. The ARJ-21-700 is an aircraft designed in the late 2000s and it bears a superficial resemblance to the MD-90 designed in the early 1990s.

The MD-90 cost about $45 million. The ARJ-21-700 costs $20 per unit. That alone indicates they are two very different aircraft.

Martin Su

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 Proof Wikipedia has no primary source for b.s. MD-90 copy claim
Author: Martin Su 
Date:   03-24-12 21:11

http://i.imgur.com/tFrKB.jpg
Screenshot from Lars' link to Wikipedia on ARJ-21-700

It is indisputable that there is no primary source after the slanderous claim: "It is derived from the MD-90 that was license-produced in China and is itself a derivative of the DC-9."

It is just typical anti-Chinese Wikipedia crap.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comac_ARJ21

"The Comac ARJ21 Xiangfeng (Chinese: 翔凤; pinyin: xiángfèng; literally "Soaring Phoenix")[2] is a twin-engined regional airliner. It is derived from the MD-90 that was license-produced in China and is itself a derivative of the DC-9. This programme uses components of 19 major European and US aerospace components suppliers, including General Electric (engine production),[3] Honeywell (fly-by-wire system) and Rockwell Collins (avionics production).[4]"

Martin Su

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 Wall Street Journal: Chinese supercomputers designed parts for ARJ-21-700
Author: Martin Su 
Date:   03-24-12 21:25

Lars, instead of citing an anti-Chinese Wikipedia article with no primary source on the false and sensational claim that the ARJ-21-700 is a copy of the MD-90, why don't you read mainstream news articles?

The Wall Street Journal informs you that Chinese supercomputers were used to design parts for China's first commercial jet, the ARJ-21-700. MSNBC informs you the ARJ-21 is "China's first fully homegrown commercial aircraft."

It is time for you to post an apology for your unsubstantiated slanderous claim.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303812904577298062429510918.html?google_editors_picks=true

"Some of China's supercomputers have been used to design wings for China's stealth fighter, now in test phase, and to design parts for China's first commercial jet."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22356423/ns/business-world_business/t/chinas-first-commercial-jet-take-flight/#.T26PGdUTqsg

"Dec 21, 2007 – SHANGHAI, China — China's first fully homegrown commercial aircraft, the ARJ-21, rolled off the production line Friday, marking a major step ..."

Martin Su

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 Re: Some subcontractors are from U.S. to accelerate accreditation by FAA
Author: Chow Lee 
Date:   03-25-12 00:04

Yes, they are a different aircraft made of nearly identical components and design.

Chow Lee

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 Re: Wall Street Journal: Chinese supercomputers designed parts for ARJ-21-700
Author: Chow Lee 
Date:   03-25-12 00:06

I read the citations and press releases from the companies that contracted the ARJ.

Please try not to be sensitive. You know now it is largely a remake of the MD-90 but with a shortened fuselage and yes, it was designed in china.

Chow Lee

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 Re: Wall Street Journal: Chinese supercomputers designed parts for ARJ-21-700
Author: Chow Lee 
Date:   03-25-12 00:08

There will be no apology for me revealing the truth. You probably think the General Eletric claim is false too!

Chow Lee

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 Re: China sells 40 ARJ-21-700 regional aircraft to Indonesia for $1.2 billion
Author: suen.kuen 
Date:   03-25-12 00:45

Hear....hear!
In other words.....like it or not, Larso.....you are what you are....stupid! LOL !!

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 Re: Some subcontractors are from U.S. to accelerate accreditation by FAA
Author: FM Liew 
Date:   03-25-12 01:01

Chinese invented the kite....and all planes are almost identical in terms of design, and concept.

So which white-boys dare to claim they invented the plane?

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 Re: China sells 40 ARJ-21-700 regional aircraft to Indonesia for $1.2 billion
Author: charles koon 
Date:   03-25-12 02:55

His problem is to incessantly show his loyalty to USA by selling out his ancestral country.

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 Re: Some subcontractors are from U.S. to accelerate accreditation by FAA
Author: Chow Lee 
Date:   03-25-12 07:39

A box kit is far differnt than a bat kite but an ARJ is 99% a MD-90 with a shortened fuselage...right down to the US designed and built engines (Gereral Electric), the US designed and buit fly by wire (Honeywell), the US designed and built engine control quadrants ( Rockwell Collins), the American designed and built avionics (Rockwell Collins)...the list is conclusive as is the FACT the Chinese craft fuselage is identical in cross section down to the millimeter, tooled on the same equipment that tools the MD-90...keep in mind that a specific manufacture process on the equipment tooled for the MD90 is intellectual property licensed to the company that was building MD-90s in China under contract and is now building the ARJ.

Chow Lee

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 Re: Some subcontractors are from U.S. to accelerate accreditation by FAA
Author: suen.kuen 
Date:   03-25-12 08:10

Sounding like the company who tried to patent the famous 5-pockets jeans; and another American expat who thought himself .....smart.....and actually attempted to patent 'Made In Hong Kong' as his exclusive rights during HK's exporting hay days!
Bloody greedy fellas some of them buggers truly are.....I must say!

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 Re: Some subcontractors are from U.S. to accelerate accreditation by FAA
Author: Chow Lee 
Date:   03-25-12 08:18

Not even close. Typical though that a chinese not of American origin and loyal to the CCP would not be astute enough to admit the MD-90 and the ARJ are 99% the same aircraft.

This is yet another proven example of a person in this forum fooled into believing the aircraft in mention is a 100% Chinese designed and built product when in fact it is recycled American design with the smallest of variations.

Chow Lee

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 Show us a reputable citation
Author: Martin Su 
Date:   03-25-12 09:39

Lars, where is your citation from a reputable source to back up your claim that "the MD-90 and the ARJ are 99% the same aircraft"?

Wikipedia does not have a primary source to back up that sentence.

Either show us a citation from a mainstream news source or retract your absurd statement.

http://i.imgur.com/NX106.jpg
Lars' only ridiculous citation from Wikipedia does not have a primary source. I have inserted a red box to show the missing footnote.

The claim that the MD-90 and ARJ-21 are the same aircraft is total garbage.

Martin Su

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 I rewrote Wikipedia to reflect MD-90 link as rumor
Author: Martin Su 
Date:   03-25-12 10:13

I have rewritten the article on the ARJ-21 to reflect the MD-90 link as rumor. Until someone provides a mainstream source to back up the sensational claim, I will keep rewriting Wikipedia every day until this b.s. claim stops.

Same link to rewritten Wikipedia article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comac_ARJ21

Martin Su

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