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 Tang China and their sea fares :)
Author: paulyih (---.dsl.milwwi.ameritech.net)
Date:   10-20-08 11:03

Author: charles koon
Date: 10-19-08 23:20

Read all about it: A recent discovery on the seabed of the Indian Ocean will revolutionise our understanding of two ancient civilisations. So goes a report by the BBC with four photos on:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/from_our_own_correspondent/7675866.stm

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 Re: Tang China and their sea fares :)
Author: paulyih (---.dsl.milwwi.ameritech.net)
Date:   10-20-08 11:09

Author: paulyih
Date: 10-20-08 11:03

Charles,

You are amazing ..

This has proven in my own hypothesis ..

I am not if you know, I am a sort of volunteer to aid Gavin Menzies "hypothesis" of his books -- 1421 and 1434 - where he had indicated that the Chinese were in the Americas before anyone else.

In and amongst the many books -- I have read -- even earlier - the Columbus map or maps were given to him by Arabs -- from the time of Marco Polo -- and where I have always suspected that -- there have been maps that came from the Americas (way before even Columbus ) and from Henry the Navigator of Portugal --- in the 1400s-- Because of the long and lasting peace in Iberia -- put forth -- just think-- by the conquering Moors ? The Arab invasion of Iberia had given both Spain and Portugal their longest peace time for over 900 Years ? Why then the confiscation of the Arab land and goods -- why then the Inquisition - It is the immorality of the Spanish Kings and Queens -- why ? Heavily indebted already to the "JEWS" -- yes, the word "JEW" in both Spanish and Portuguese can be used as a verb -- "To rob, to steal, to cheat and to embezzle " ------ Now you can see why.. Is this racism or just Racism by way of usury practice ..


Well, beyond all that -- Henry the Navigator had already used Arab ships and Chinese compass ----- The clear indication where the navigation technologies and even maps could have been furnished by the Arabs via the Chinese (possible Chinese maps ). In and amongst the many pieces of research I have thus far -- from Brazil, to the PIME -- Pontificate Institute of External Missions (extere) in Milan -- the Catholic archives,from Coimbra in Portugal, Salamanca -- in Spain -- I am asembling as much as I can -- just like Menzies -- data, maps , any maps from any far fetched stories ... Amongst the many -- where I have read -- from the Chinese text ... dated back many years before any of the European navigation and voyages ... where they have named South America --- Land of the Cannibals....

Indeed, in this little bit of almost "funny" story and tales -- The land of the Cannibals -- now being substantiated by my own research via the two Portuguese cultural historians -- Jaime Cortesao and Judith Cortesao, highlighted by one of the most talented and humanist -- Brazilian Cultural anthropologist -- Darcy Ribeiro ... fully reviewed the history of the tribal Indians -- still existing today - In fact, I have just spent 6 weeks in Brazil for such research -- the early tribes of the Tupinabas, or just Tupi Indians who had and still are along all of the coast of Brazil -- had indeed practice -- cannibalism -- whereas between and amongst their own tribal wars -- when warriors were captured -- tied to the center of the village -- They were all eaten --alive as to give "strength" to their own.

In fact, the laughing stock --- was the story written by one of the many European cowards - Yes, the living coward -- who had cried and pleaded with the natives to spare his life ...whereas he was spared due to the appearance of a coward -- (Well, there is also this clever saying that -- to be a living coward than to be a dead hero....:) )

As you can see, the Chinese sea fares has been carried onward way before Zhenghe .. and even during the time of the Mongols -- The Mongolians used the Han Chinese and even ethnic Koreans to have built their ships to cross over to invade Japan -- then the story of the Kamikaze ..and during the time of the Mongols-- there have been sea voyages traveling as far as to Hormuz .. and now in Menzies New Book -- 1434 , he had clear indication that the Chinese were in the courts of Medici -- and in fact, most of the Italian inventions -- like Da Vinci, were indeed, extracts from Chinese books -------- .

Your posting in here had added another dimension of my personal research ..

Thanks .. I guess SL Lee will be thinking you also .. I will paste this into the Zhenghe segment of the Asiawind forum.

paulyih

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