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 An excerpt from "1434"
Author: Zhao Yun 
Date:   05-19-08 20:12

I have just been emailed this editorial from Gavin Menzies. Sorry, it is a bit long but it is worth a read!

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Greetings!

We are delighted to enclose below an excerpt from Gavin's new book, 1434: The Year a Magnificent Chinese Fleet Sailed to Italy and Ignited the Renaissance.

One thing that greatly puzzled me when writing 1421 was the lack of curiosity among many professional historians.

After all, Christopher Columbus supposedly discovered America in 1492. Yet 18 years before he set sail, Columbus had a map of the Americas, which he later acknowledged in his logs. Indeed, even before his first voyage, Columbus signed a contract with the King and Queen of Spain that appointed him Viceroy of the Americas. His fellow ship's captain, Pinzon, who sailed with him in 1492 had too seen a map of the Americas -- in the Pope's library.


How do you discover a place for which you already have a map?


The same question could be asked of Magellan. The straits that connect the Atlantic to the Pacific bear the great Portuguese explorer's name. When Magellan reached those straits, he had run out of food and his sailors were reduced to eating rats. Worse, they were convinced they were lost.


Esteban Gomez led a mutiny, seizing the San Antonio with the intent to lead part of the expedition back to Spain. Magellan quashed the mutiny by claiming he was not at all lost. A member of the crew wrote , "We all believed that [the Strait] was a cul-de-sac; but the Captain knew that he had to navigate through a very well concealed strait, having seen it in a chart preserved in the treasury of the King of Portugal, and made by Martin of Bohemia, a man of great parts."

Why were the straits named after Magellan when Magellan had seen them on a chart before he set sail? Once again, it doesn't make sense.


The paradox might be explained had there been no maps of the straits or of the Pacific - if, as some believe, Magellan was bluffing about having seen a chart. But there were maps. Waldseemueller published his map of the Americas and the Pacific in 1507, thirteen years before Magellan set sail. In 1515, four years before Magellan sailed, Schoener published a map showing the straits Magellan is said to have
"discovered."

The great European explorers were brave and determined men. But they discovered nothing. Magellan was not the first to circumnavigate the globe nor was Columbus the first to discover the Americas So why, we may ask, do historians persist in propagating this fantasy? Why is the "Times History of Exploration," which details the discoveries of European explorers, still taught in schools? Why are the young so insistently misled?


After 1421 was published, we set up our website, www.1421.tv, which has since received millions of visitors. Additionally we have received hundreds of thousands of emails from readers of 1421, many bringing new evidence to our attention. Of the criticism we've also received, the most frequent complaint has concerned my failure to describe the Chinese fleets' visits to Europe when the Renaissance was just getting underway.


Two years ago, a Chinese Canadian scholar, Tai Peng Wang, discovered Chinese and Italian records showing beyond a doubt that Chinese delegations had reached Italy during the reigns of Zhu Di (1403 - 1425) and the Xuande Emperor (1426 - 1435). Naturally, this was of the greatest interest to me and the 1421 team.

Shortly after Tai Peng Wang's 2005 discovery, Marcella and I set off with friends for Spain. For a decade, we've enjoyed holidays with this same group of friends, travelling to seemingly inaccessible places - crossing the Andes, Himalayas and Hindu Kush, voyaging down the Amazon, journeying to the glaciers of Patagonia and to the High Altiplano of Bolivia. In 2005 we walked the Via de la Plata from Seville, from which the Conquistadores sailed to the New World, north to their homeland of Extremadura. Along the way, we visited the towns in which the Conquistadores were born and grew up. One of these was Toledo, painted with such bravura by El Greco. Of particular interest to me were the mediaeval pumps by which this fortified mountain town drew its water from the river far below.

On a lovely autumn day, we walked uphill to the great cathedral that dominates Toledo and the surrounding countryside. We dumped our bags in a small hotel built into the cathedral walls and set off to explore. In a neighbouring Moorish palace there was an exhibition dedicated to Leonardo da Vinci and his Madrid codices, focusing on Leonardo's pumps, aqueducts, locks and canals -- all highly relevant to Toledo.


The exhibit contained this note: "Leonardo embarked upon a thorough analysis of waterways. The encounter with Francesco di Giorgio in Pavia in 1490 was a decisive moment in Leonardo's training, a turning point. Leonardo planned to write a treatise on water."


This note puzzled me. I had been taught that Leonardo had designed the first European canals and locks, that he was the first to illustrate pumps and fountains. So what relevant training had he received from di Giorgio, a name completely unknown to me?

My research revealed that Leonardo had owned a copy of di Giorgio's treatise on civil and military machines. In the treatise, di Giorgio had illustrated and described a range of astonishing machines, many of which Leonardo subsequently reproduced in three-dimensional drawings. The illustrations were not limited to canals, locks and pumps; they included parachutes, submersibles tanks and machine guns as well as hundreds of other machines with civil and military applications.


This was quite a shock. It seemed Leonardo was more illustrator than inventor and that the greater genius may have resided in di Giorgio. Was di Giorgio the original inventor of these fantastic machines? Or did he, in turn, copy them from another?
I learned that di Giorgio had inherited notebooks and treatises from another Italian, Mario di Jacopo ditto Taccola (called Taccola "the jackdaw"). Taccola was a clerk of public works living in Siena. Having never seen the sea or fought a battle, he nevertheless managed to draw a wide variety of nautical machines - paddle wheeled boats, frogmen and machines for lifting wrecks together with a range of gunpowder weapons, even an advanced method of making gunpowder. It seems Taccola was responsible for nearly every technical illustration that di Giorgio and Leonardo had later improved upon.


So, once again, we confront our familiar puzzle: How did a clerk in a remote Italian hill town, a man who had never travelled abroad nor obtained a university education, come to produce technical illustrations of such amazing machines?

This book attempts to answer that and a few related riddles. In doing so, we stumble upon the map of the Americas that Taccola's contemporary, Paolo Toscanelli, sent to both Christopher Columbus and the King of Portugal, in whose library Magellan encountered it.


Like '1421', this book is a collective endeavour that never would have been written without the help of thousands of people across the world. I do not claim definitive answers to every riddle. This is a work in progress. Indeed, I hope the reader will join us in the search for answers and share them with us - as so many did in response to '1421.'


However, before we meet the Chinese squadron upon its arrival in Venice and then Florence, a bit of background is necessary on the aims of the Xuande Emperor for whom Grand Eunuch Zheng He served as ambassador to Europe. A Xuande imperial order dated 29th June 1430 stated:


"The New Reign of Xuan De has commenced and everything shall begin anew. But distant lands beyond the seas have not yet been informed. I send Eunuchs Zheng He and Wang Zing Hong with this imperial order to instruct these countries to follow the way of heaven with reverence and to watch over their people so that all might enjoy the good fortune of lasting peace."

The first three chapters of this book describe the two years of preparations in China and Indonesia to fulfil that order, which required launching and provisioning the greatest fleet the world had ever seen for a voyage across the world. Chapter 4 explains how the Chinese calculated longitude without clocks and latitude without sextants -prerequisites for drawing accurate maps of new lands. Chapters 5 and 6 describe how the fleet left the Malabar Coast of India, sailed to the canal linking the Nile to the Red Sea, then down the Nile into the Mediterranean. Some have argued that no Chinese records exist to suggest Zheng He's fleets ever left the Indian Ocean. Chapters 5 and 6 document the many records in China, Egypt, Dalmatia, Venice, Florence and the Papacy describing the fleets' voyage.

In Chapter 21, I discuss the immense transfer of knowledge that took place in 1434 between China and Europe. This knowledge originated with a people who, over a thousand years, had created an advanced civilisation in Asia; it was given to Europe just as she was emerging from a millennium of stagnation following the fall of the Roman Empire.


The Renaissance has traditionally been portrayed as a rebirth of the classical civilisations of Greece and Rome. It seems to me the time has come to reappraise this Eurocentric view of history. While the ideals of Greece and Rome played an important role in the Renaissance, I submit that the transfer of Chinese intellectual capital to Europe was the spark that set the Renaissance ablaze.


When you have read the book, please tell us whether you agree.

Be Happy!

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 Re: An excerpt from "1434"
Author: SL Lee 
Date:   05-20-08 10:47

Gavin Menzies will send me the book this week. Will write after reading it.
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SL Lee

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 Re: An excerpt from "1434"
Author: tom Dragon 
Date:   08-16-08 10:23

The 1434 book: a very interesting read, though the 1434 landing of a magnificent Chinese ship was not the only one incident affair and certainly not the last one, numerous previously exchanges were carried out between Korean ships arriving in Europeans, then following by Chinese visits. technologies were not transfered just in one day nor could it be done in one single encounter, a continuous peaceful exchanges between Asian people and Europeans via the sea route with Europe as final destination had been carried on for a few decades if not centuries since the Yuan dynasty before the Chinese ships arrived in Europe. As mentioned by other sources below and quote:

"Under Mongol rule “Korea and China also grew closer, as the Mongol-enforced peace throughout their conquered territory allowed envoys and traders to move freely between the two countries. Goryeo officials served in the Yuan government, where because of their literary skill and knowledge of Confucian statecraft, they made contributions to governance.”25 There was also a sea trade that connected Korea to China and points beyond (when Giovanni di Marignolli arrived at the port of Zhengzhou in 1346 he found a depot for European traders ready to receive him). Wang Geon served as an admiral in the Korean navy. Fifty-seven official diplomatic sea voyages, each carrying 100–300 emissaries, were recorded to Song China in the 160 years following the establishment of the dynasty. For a joint Goryeo-Mongol expedition to Japan in 1274 the Koreans built an armada of 900 ships in four and a half months.26 Under Goryeo rule private merchants actively traded by sea with mainland ports—several arrivals of West Asian trading ships were recorded during the eleventh-century.27 Consequently all of the conditions existed for the transmission of significant technological information from Korea to Europe. "

So there are plenty of reasons that Chinese have been visiting Europe quite often actually and certainly not limited to just one time, reasons being:

1)China wanted to have closer contact with their 2500 years old trading partner-Europe, it was all natural to pay them and the Ming ships were capable of long voyage during that time. Trading posts and housings were already set up in China way before 1434 to welcome European seamen and visitors.
2)Koreans of the Yuan dynasty might be a step ahead of China setting foot in Europe with their 900 sea-faring ships and armadas, check out the Kanito world map made by the Koreans.
3) Europe countries were already becoming well known in Ming time so Imperial message had to reach countries there to announce the new Emperor's enthronement and Era.
4) To route out the remnants of the Mongolian army and allies around the world, Mongolians might be the first to bring horses to America. Check out the 1418 map.
5) To trade with Europe via the sea Silk Route.

Bottom line: 1434's Critics can't offer a single reason why China should not, could not, sail to Europe and traded with her via the Sea silk route- given all the resources that were already available to them during the Ming Dynasty.

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 Re: An excerpt from "1434"
Author: paulyih (---.dsl.milwwi.ameritech.net)
Date:   10-20-08 11:08

Frank Lee had sent me the book --- in the first part of June for my birthday .. before my six week trip into the Amazons ...signed by Menzies and I have received a couple emails from Gavin -- echoing in the future engagement of our joint efforts ---- in that segment where the joint "cross-cultural" elements that was presented by his book --- During the time of the Renaissance Italy -- In the court of Medici or beyond .. where the languages being exchange from the King Alfonso of Portugual, to Italy, with the courts of Medici, with the Venetians --- and many more -- were all written in either Latin, Portuguese, Spanish, Italian and many more ..

What I was a bit surprised were about the Dalmatian coast and the possible ethnic Chinese that had been settled in that region --- by Gavin's tale in 1434 .. it is all very possible -- Not to forget the Croatians were far more Italian like and Catholic like Italians on account of the Venetian empire ...

There are just way too many stories that will require the many languages -- as I am now h aving fund from Coimbra, Porto, Portugal -- to Salamancas, to Canarias in Spain ..to Italy ..

I am having a ball ....

I have just posted what Charles Koon had posted in the World Forum ..

This is getting more and more fun -- :)

Zhao Yun, I did not know

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 Re: An excerpt from "1434"
Author: SL Lee 
Date:   10-20-08 12:56

Actually, I met Gavin in his home in London on June 2. He gave his only book to me while his shipment was yet to arrive.

It is not an easy book to read because it involves a lot of European history that requires going to the original for confirmation.

I hope all who are reading 1421 and 1434, as well as those who accuse Gavin Menzies also do the same - go to the original and verify the facts.

The fact that Tang relics are found in the Indian Ocean is nothing surprising. The sea silk route and the land silk route are equally important for trade between China and the Middle East.

Iraq and Iran were the two most prolific traders with China. The cobalt pigment for the famous blue-white porcelain came from Iran. Hopefully, the war has not destroyed some of the most valuable Chinese antiques.

The Topkapi Palace in Turkey has an invaluable collection of Yuan blue-white porcelain.
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SL Lee

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 Re: An excerpt from "1434"
Author: paulyih (---.dsl.milwwi.ameritech.net)
Date:   10-20-08 13:08

Haha, SL, I am just going after that documents of the Chinese indicating "cannibals".

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 Re: An excerpt from "1434"
Author: tom Dragon 
Date:   11-02-08 09:33

Paul there is a commune in Italy with Chinese Surname as "Lu" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lu_(AL) with navigation stars and the moon as their emblem, can you check that out also.

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 Re: An excerpt from "1434"
Author: paulyih (---.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com)
Date:   11-02-08 11:04

I love to -- Tom -- This is merely a new beginning by way of Menzies Books -- see how much more SL had on his hands with the Cherokees and now we have more chicken bones in Chile to deal with -- This is my joy- and my area when it comes with Central and Latin America -- As I have written to Gavin Menzies -- this clusters of cultures with Europe and Latin America -- the volumes of documents that can be well deciphered will be a great deal of work -- I have told him most confidently that -- this area of languages and involving navigation history of Iberia, Italy and Arabs - where I will be happy to be of contribution in the future - which Gavin agreed ----

I will be happy to entertain any area of exploration from the Dalmatian coast, Italy to Iberia and Latin America - I am grooming some added Arabic and Muslim connectivity as well ..

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 Re: An excerpt from "1434"
Author: tom Dragon 
Date:   11-05-08 19:54

The three stars in that emblem actually is the big dipper, and some even has thunderbolts seen here http://www.flickr.com/photos/30232438@N00/3007045404/.
Do anyone know that the Alaska flag is actually the big dipper + North Star!

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 Re: An excerpt from "1434"
Author: paulyih (---.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com)
Date:   11-05-08 19:59

Are you hinting that is of Chinese origin ? :)

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 Re: An excerpt from "1434"
Author: SL Lee 
Date:   11-06-08 02:18

The Alaskan flag was designed by a high school student, a native American in 20th century. He got his idea somewhere, may be from the Cherokee flag.
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SL Lee

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 The Alaskan flag with Big Dipper
Author: SL Lee 
Date:   11-06-08 10:03

The Alaskan flag is the only existing flag in the world today that bears the Big Dipper. Wikipedia has a description of the history of how it came about. The kid designer was supposed to get a prize for the design, but he never did.

The original Cherokee flag seems to be coming back. A Cherokee youngster wears it like a Chinese top (except reversed, could be from the film, or the kid is left handed) .

http://www.lkwdpl.org/schools/elempath/discovery/na/regalia/Cherokee_G.htm
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SL Lee

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 Re: The Alaskan flag with Big Dipper
Author: paulyih (---.dsl.milwwi.ameritech.net)
Date:   11-06-08 10:25

However, I would like to thank Tom Dragon for this observation .

Often, let us see more of the cultural stuff, even by play, or by fashion , these are and can be all traits that will lead to the future awareness -- be that Chinese were here amongst the Cherokees or not - can be left for all future researchers to discover.

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 BRAZILIAN flag
Author: tom Dragon 
Date:   02-05-09 18:23

BRAZILIAN flag has a lot of stars, can someone identify them?

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 Re: BRAZILIAN flag
Author: paulyih (---.dhcp.eucl-nbb.wi.charter.com)
Date:   02-05-09 21:39

Tom, those stars are the "constellation " in what we called the Southern star.. or Cruzeiro do Sul .. I hope what I said about constellation is correct.

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 New Map Discoveries
Author: David G. kramer 
Date:   07-03-09 16:07

We are in need of an expert to help decipher an antique 14th-15th century Chinese map on metal. Thank you.

David G. kramer

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 Re: New Map Discoveries
Author: SL Lee 
Date:   07-03-09 17:55

You can send the photo to me at :

sllee@asiawind.com

I am the owner of this forum and the Xuande brass medallion. I am also doing research on all Chinese and European maps of the Discovery Era.
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SL Lee

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 Re: New Map Discoveries
Author: paulyih (---.dhcp.ftbg.wi.charter.com)
Date:   07-03-09 18:02

This is exciting ... to know ..:)

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 Re: New Map Discoveries
Author: David G. kramer 
Date:   07-05-09 15:19

It has been a major 4 day holiday here in the US so, I finally have found time to respond to you.
I am glad you have the Xuande brass medallion. But this has little to do with an actual ability to transpose and to decipher a code system that identifies Chinese cities of the world on a map of the 14th/15th century.
We would need to know a little more about you and your actual hands on experience first. For example, what is your background? Have you spoken on this subject anywhere? And are you multi-lingual to know Mongolian/Chinese/Ancient symbols and what experience do you have with mythological figurative representations? The graphics of the 14th/15th Chinese era are full of heavenly elements and on earth, fairy tale creatures. ALL of this is part of the map! The grid system alone that IS used on this map can be measured to 1/240th of an inch.
Now that you can see we are serious. We know Gavin and are aware of Thompson's work. We all have seen the maps posted on line. But, Harvard has a selection of early Chinese maps more in tune with our project and they are currently under the scope as we speak.
There are two doctors involved with this project with a larger team. But, we am looking for someone to join us as we are starting to capture details worth exploring further and it is time!

David G. kramer

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 Re: New Map Discoveries
Author: Paul Yih 
Date:   08-26-10 18:20

New evidence had shown where clusters of Italians were already in Nanjing, Yangzhou, Hangzhou China ... and here are more evidence ....


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yangzhou

Marco Polo claims to have served there under the Mongol emperor Kubilai Khan in the period around 1282-1287 (to 1285, according to Perkins). Although some versions of Polo's memoirs imply that he was the governor of Yangzhou, it is more likely that he was an official in the salt industry, if indeed he was employed there at all . Chinese texts offer no supporting evidence. The discovery of the 1342 tomb of Katarina Vilioni, member of an Italian trading family in Yangzhou, does, however, suggest the existence of a thriving Italian community in the city in the 14th century.

Paul Yih

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