Author: paulyih (---.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com)
Date: 06-29-06 08:13
SL, thanks for showing your piece of evidence - as you and I have shared in so many smaller areas of our amateurish kind of historical curiosity - cum anthropology ---- In the many sounds of people --- and that "possible" link to any older evidence that will provide us any clue or greater curiosity to make that possible connection --- the early arrival of Asians ---- not from the Bering Striat crossing over theory or hypothesis had has existed.
Indeed, if and when we can find any possible link to the early contacts between the American natives throughout all of the Americas, will be to find traces of evidences of the objects they use, utensils and phontically, the many sounds that might give us some traces of evidence as in the case of Menzies hypothesis :)
I guess the Cherokee language now will have to be paid greater attention , no less in what we have those similarities of the Mayans in Yucatan.
I think from now on, there will more and more gathering evidence from researchers and scholars in any discipline to give us all new evidence or new clue toward our procurement in search of our past --- in America.
There will be more joint studies, research in working with the many native groups --- I hope in such gathering of sounds, expressions and name of objectes --- No less than in what so little we have done in the past -- in the midst of Amazon-- the language of Tupi where I have pointed out very casually --- of the sound "oak" or "oca" in both Hakka and Cantonese - you have pointed out --- that is the same sound of " House". And there are other on going research such of the Ceramics of Ana Roosvelt from the University of Illinois and in the region of Amazon, many are now located in Belem --- what we need is to have all researchers now put on a bit more of the awareness about that "mild" possibility of the Asian who were in the America in other period of history --- can be the kind of amateurish research that can be done by all --- In the gathering of the facts or evidence, via the many tribal and ethnic area in the area of languages and origin of languages --- and sound -- may be that one area that will give us greater clues or even possibilities.
That is not to say that, human race or races do have often many similarities - but just that how close had their languages, either originated by these native Americans all on their own, or at any given time , they have been influenced by others ---- and to what extend ? Those are the many possible leads -- by way of our own curiosity and by our own evidence seeking -- without being overly biased will make all of our search fun and exciting.
I remain very curious to hear every time when "totem" is being said --- where Totem sounded very Chinese -- To - picture Tem= meaning raised .
When did totem become the vocabulary in the English language ?
It is as simple as that --no more than "Catchup" as in the sound of Cantonese of sauce of the "cat" or ke -- or tomatoe.
We all have to remain curious and find out more when these cutural items had been crossing over into other cultures ----- /
I am glad your "disk" had surfaced and that possible link to the Cherokee sounds and phonetics will start some of the new study or research, enriching more and more of my own "wish" of the many new cross-cultural studies amongst us and between the many global tribes --- which will lead us all into the old languages, as to what dialect or the closest of Chinese dialects were used during Ming time ? or the Qing time .... and that link to Hakka -- as the origin Hakka the first known Chinese nomads may provide us more leads and into greater evidence when we can use Chinese languages and can link us into our past -- and with the possibilities in their link to the people in otherland.
As I have also witness in the world of academics --- there are those who had started to bad mouthing any new arrival of "evidence" ..:)
Well, let those be skeptical --as you and I and many in this forum had our own sets of doubts and questions on Menzies ---- those same doubt and evidence had not stopped us in our search for our past -- be that you in now in North Carolina -- and my visits into the Mayan cultures in the Yucatan , the Tupi in Rio Negro--- and my next up stream to Moies in the upper Amazons ...The search of ours may and may not add to the voyage of Zhenghe -- but definitely , there have been other evidence that are equally rich -- as in the case of my clarification to the Menzies group on that one "lover's amulet"----- Muirakita ----- in the Santarem , Amazon region ---- where it had connected to my only curiosity linking jade -- not any other jade, but jadeite --- from Guatemala --- with the only few jades ever surfaced in that region of Amazon. Could the Mayans had their travels to the Andes ? and from the Andes down to the Amazon Basin ? Because in 30 years of my gem procurement business in Brazil, there were never "jadeite" had ever surfaced ----- . No less curious for us to put forth those same evidence as to the Lapis in the Egyptian tombs -- linking to the possible cultural links of Egypt to nowaday Afghanistan ?
I think we all have given not enough credit of the trade routes amongst the old cultures -- and on that note, our search and our own hypothesis and the search for "connecting" evidence can be of service to all researchers :)
Good to see you back :) Welcome home .. and now we are onto more studies with the Cherokees --- but anchoring with many different hypothesis ---:)