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 Singapore newspapers state Chin Peng is Hakka
Author: Newguy 
Date:   10-10-04 00:43

Ex-communist chief Chin Peng visits Singapore
Entry ban temporarily lifted to allow him to speak at Iseas seminar

By Asad Latif

CHIN Peng, best known for leading the communist insurgency in Malaya and Singapore, was given permission to visit Singapore for a speaking engagement last week, his first trip here since the Malayan Emergency was declared in 1948.


During his stay in Singapore, Chin Peng called on local war heroine Elizabeth Choy.
An entry ban imposed on him was lifted temporarily by the Home Affairs Ministry to enable him to travel here from Thailand to speak at the Institute of South-east Asian Studies (Iseas) last Thursday.

During his three-day stay from Wednesday, he also toured several historical landmarks and other sites.

This included a drive by City Hall, a visit to the Civilian War Memorial honouring those who died during the Japanese invasion and occupation of Singapore in World War II, and the memorial to wartime hero Lim Bo Seng.

He was also driven through Queen Street, where the Communist Party of Malaya's (CPM) headquarters was located.

Also on Friday, he called on local war heroine Elizabeth Choy, whom he has been known to admire, at her MacKenzie Road home.

'Getting a visit from such a famous figure was one of the greatest surprises of my life,' Ms Choy, 94, told The Sunday Times.


On Dec 28 1955, Chin Peng emerged from the jungle for truce talks during the Malayan Emergency.
'We got on very well because we are both Hakka.'

Chin Peng, who turns 80 later this month, was the former secretary-general of the CPM, a position he took on in 1947. That was a year before the Malayan Emergency was declared following the party's armed resistance to British rule.

The emergency ended in 1960, but it was only in 1989 that a peace accord was signed in Thailand, where the former guerilla chief and several of his comrades are based.

It is understood that at Thursday's closed-door Iseas seminar, he discussed the circumstances in which he had taken up armed struggle against the British, the CPM's role in the independence of Malaya, and the factors that led to the 1989 accord.

His memoirs, Alias Chin Peng: My Side Of History, which detail these and other issues, were published in Singapore last year. The Chinese edition is due in a few weeks.

A Home Affairs Ministry spokesman told The Sunday Times yesterday that Chin Peng had been invited by Iseas to participate in a closed-door seminar. It had sought the ministry's approval prior to the trip.


First trip here since 1948

THIS is Chin Peng's first trip to Singapore since the Malayan Emergency was declared in 1948. He became the secretary-general of the Communist Party of Malaya in 1947 - a year before the Malayan Emergency was declared following the party's armed resistance to British rule.

He was the key link between the communists' Malayan People's Anti-Japanese Army and Britain's Force 136, which was trying to set up intelligence-gathering operations during World War II.



'After careful consideration, the ministry had agreed to temporarily lift the entry ban on him and grant him a social visit pass to make a visit to Singapore between Oct 6 and Oct 8 for the specific purpose of participating in the seminar at Iseas,' the spokesman said.

Born Ong Boon Hua in Sitiawan in Perak, Chin Peng was the key link between the communists' Malayan People's Anti-Japanese Army and Britain's Force 136, which was trying to set up intelligence-gathering operations behind Japanese enemy lines during World War II.

And in January 1946, on the steps of the City Hall, he received two awards from Lord Mountbatten, the Supreme Allied Commander for South-east Asia, for his services to the Crown during war.

But he was appointed leader of the CPM a year after receiving that honour.

Chin Peng, who left Singapore on Friday, had said in his memoirs that he fought a 'liberation war', and added: 'To ask whether I would do it again is idle talk. I was a young man in an entirely different setting.'


http://straitstimes.asia1.com.sg/news/story/0,4386,277172,00.html?

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 Re: Singapore newspapers state Chin Peng is Hakka
Author: CHUNG Yoon Ngan 
Date:   10-10-04 01:45

If the Singaporean newspaper says Chin Peng is a Hakka then the newspaper is wrong.
Please ask the reporter to read Chin Peng's autobiopgraphy
"My Side Of History" or login to Asiawind Forum to read the many stories about Chin Peng.

http://www.asiawind.com/forums/read.php?f=1&i=7508&t=7507
http://www.asiawind.com/forums/read.php?f=1&i=7509&t=7507
http://www.asiawind.com/forums/read.php?f=1&i=7513&t=7507

CHUNG Yoon-Ngan
10102004

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 Re: Singapore newspapers state Chin Peng is Hakka
Author: J Tsang Mang Kin 
Date:   10-18-04 04:27

Hi
I am glad to hear this.

Chin Peng and Elizabeth Choy will have a place in the next edition of my Hakka Epic.

Could somebody send me his address and also Elizabeth Choy's so I can send them a copy of the Hakka Epic. and give me their name in Chinese



Thanks

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 Re: Old Commie Head Pronounces Singapore a Success
Author: Sun ZiXiang 
Date:   10-20-04 02:15

As I've said, its a "tongue-in-cheek" version.

"Chin Teng" means "very hard" in Hokkien, implying a commie "hardliner".

The site is a political satire site. What else can one expect from a writer who call himself "Pak Cham Kai". So don't take it seriously.

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 Re: Singapore newspapers state Chin Peng is Hakka
Author: mod4 
Date:   10-20-04 02:26

By using incorrect and fictitious information to fool the readers is intolerable in this Forum. Chin Peng is a respectable leader. Please post your joking information to somewhere else.

[The Moderator]

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 Re: Singapore newspapers state Chin Peng is Hakka
Author: CHUNG Yoon Ngan 
Date:   10-21-04 03:15


Dear Mang Kin,

By looking at your email address I know you are from the
Republic of Mauritius.

Here is a part of Hakka history on the Republic of Mauritius.

http://chungyn.webhop.net/WorldHakkaC.jpg

CHUNG Yoon-Ngan
21102004

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 Re: Singapore newspapers state Chin Peng is Hakka
Author: Liew Shan Lee 
Date:   11-08-04 09:37

He is a Foochow, according a Foochow historian from Taiping, Perak. He had interviewed the guy's family and friends. The details are in a book that the historian recently launched (it was written by himself).
To some, he (Chin Peng) might be a respectable hero, but after his book was launched last year, there was a hot debate whether to allow him to return to Malaysia. The outcome of the debate was as expected; only two out of hundreds supported the notion that he is to be allowed back to Malaysia. Many letters, especially those threatening death to him were not even published.

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 Re: Singapore newspapers state Chin Peng is Hakka
Author: Sun 
Date:   11-09-04 10:09

Chin Peng's intention MAY be "sincere" at that time, but had he succeeded in his quest to turn the region to Communism, Singapore and Malaysia will probably be at par with Vietnam in term of economy development at best. We will be lucky if we didn't experienced a similar "killing fields" the Chambodians had the misfortune of going thru under the communist Khmer Rouge.

I don't see him as respectable. Just a misguided idealist who could have brought great misfortune and hardship for the people.

Always remember this, "Power corupts, and absolute power corrupt absolutely",

Communism provides avenue for a small number of individuals to have absolute power if they chose to have them. Such system is vunerable if fallen to the wrong hands.

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 Re: Singapore newspapers state Chin Peng is Hakka
Author: FM Liew 
Date:   11-09-04 13:06

I feel so sorry about so many Singaporean being extremely misinformed about the facts.

What do you know about Khmer Rouge?
Do you know Pol Pot?
Do you know who he's really working for?

Since you opined about communism, didn't you question why communist Vietnam would want to attack another communist country[Cambodia]?

As the matter of fact, Vietnam helped to put a stop to the killing by eliminating Khmer Rouge...and CIA operative.

Do you really know Chin Peng in person?
Otherwise, why make such a misrepresented statement?
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Excerpt:
he US not only helped create conditions that brought Cambodia's Khmer Rouge to power in 1975, but actively supported the genocidal force, politically and financially. By January 1980, the US was secretly funding Pol Pot's exiled forces on the Thai border. The extent of this support-$85 million from 1980 to 1986-was revealed six years later in correspondence between congressional lawyer Jonathan Winer, then counsel to Sen. John Kerry (D-MA) of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, and the Vietnam Veterans of America Foundation. Winer said the information had come from the Congressional Research Service (CRS). When copies of his letter were circulated, the Reagan administration was furious. Then, without adequately explaining why, Winer repudiated the statistics, while not disputing that they had come from the CRS. In a second letter to Noam Chomsky, however, Winer repeated the original charge, which, he confirmed to me, was "absolutely correct." Washington also backed the Khmer Rouge through the United Nations, which provided Pol Pot's vehicle of return. Although the Khmer Rouge government ceased to exist in January 1979, when the Vietnamese army drove it out, its representatives continued to occupy Cambodia's UN seat. ............................

A s a cover for its secret war against Cambodia, Washington set up the Kampuchean Emergency Group (KEG) in the US embassy in Bangkok and on the Thai-Cambodian border. KEG's job was to "monitor" the distribution of Western humanitarian supplies sent to the refugee camps in Thailand and to ensure that Khmer Rouge bases were fed. Working through "Task Force 80" of the Thai Army, which had liaison officers with the Khmer Rouge, the Americans ensured a constant flow of UN supplies. Two US relief aid workers, Linda Mason and Roger Brown, later wrote, "The US Government insisted that the Khmer Rouge be fed ... the US prefered that the Khmer Rouge operation benefit from the credibility of an internationally known relief operation." In 1980, under US pressure, the World Food Program handed over food worth $12 million to the Thai army to pass on to the Khmer Rouge. According to former Assistant Secretary of State Richard Holbrooke, "20,000 to 40,000 Pol Pot guerrillas benefited." This aid helped restore the Khmer Rouge to a fighting force, based in Thailand, from which it Although ostensibly a State Department operation, KEG's principals were intelligence officers with long experience in Indochina. In the early 1980s it was run by Michael Eiland, whose career underscored the continuity of American intervention in Indochina.

Full details: http://www.users.bigpond.com/nlevine/khmer_alliance.htm http://eatthestate.org/01-47/PolPotAlly.htm http://www.zmag.org/forums/chomcambodforum.htm http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/US_ThirdWorld/US_PolPot.html

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 Re: Singapore newspapers state Chin Peng is Hakka
Author: Sun 
Date:   11-11-04 09:34

You mean you know Chin Peng in person?

Great!

Do tell me your version of him, and he could have done a better job for Sinapore and Malaysia under Communism?

Your Khmer Rouge excerpt doesn't show me how I've been "extremely misinformed" or have "misrepresented" Chin Peng.

I have an open mind. I want to hear how he could have been a better leader.

But please do not assume that just because I believe that Communism was, and still is, not the right political model for Singapore and Malaysia, does not mean that I'm a fan of the US. My great great grandfather had fought and died in the Opium War in Xiamen.

The Westerners greed and lust for power have NOT changed. The US is a bigger bully now then ever before.

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 Re: Singapore newspapers state Chin Peng is Hakka
Author: FM Liew 
Date:   11-11-04 10:41

Sorry Boy...don't be lazy...go and get your own book at the Borders/Orchard Rd.

Or better still, traval up north of Malaysia/Kedah, south of Thailand.
There is a small Chinese village where most of the ex-MCP lived.

Get a personal interview and treatment, they still speak Hakka.

Don't opine about Communism...its only an ideology, and it's meant to work for the people. We'll never know whether it fit Singapore or not, since it was never tested on Singapore or Malaysia in very beginning...neither can you ascertain that Singapore is a practising US's or her ex-colonial British form of democracy...so what is democracy in your book of democracy..? Does Singapore practise "free market" economy, or "controlled" economy like the communist?

So what do you know abour Khmer Rouge then?
The communist is still running the country...aren't you frighten? :o|

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 Re: Singapore newspapers state Chin Peng is Hakka
Author: CHUNG Yoon Ngan 
Date:   11-11-04 11:49


Dear FM and All,

I have told you before that I bought Chin Peng's book from Singapore when it was first released last year. It cost me $86.00 Australian dollars,
including postage.

Well, my friend, who is from Ipoh, has edited most of my work, "The History of My Family ". She disagreed with me over the Malayan Communist Party. During last Chinese New Year dinner in my niece's house my editor and I argued like mad over the MPAJA (Malayan People's Anti-Japanese Army) and Force 136. Seeing there was no end in our argument my niece told us that it was unfair to my editor because I had read Chin Peng's book and my editor did not know that there was such a book in existence. So my niece suggested that I should lend Chin Peng's book to my editor to read. My niece also suggested that we should argue again after my editor has read the book.

Two weeks after lending Chin Peng's book to my editor she rang me and apologized saying that she was wrong about Chin Peng. She also told me that all along she had been reading only one side of the story, the British side of Chin Peng and now she knew the whole truth. We agreed that we should not have a second argument on Chin Peng since we now know more about Chin Peng.

If you are in Singapore I suggest you should obtain a copy. The Library Bord of WA had obtained a few copies of Chin Peng's book for the local libraries after my editor's suggestion to the Library Board.

CHUNG Yoon-Ngan
12112004

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 To FM Liew
Author: CHUNG Yoon Ngan 
Date:   11-11-04 18:42


Dear FM Liew,

The Malaysian Government bans the book "My Side Of History" by Chin Peng, mainly on the ground of one chapter. There is a photo in the chapter
about the horrible crimes committed by the British soldiers in Malaya without the knowldege of the Colonial Secretary. The British Parliament and Sir Winston Churchill put a break to it.

Please write to me and tell me that you are ready to view the photo and I will scan it to show you. I am doing this because I know our Administrator Dr. SL Lee will not allow me to post the photo to the Forum.

CHUNG Yoon-Ngan
12112004

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 Re: To FM Liew
Author: SL Lee 
Date:   11-11-04 21:45

Not that I don't allow it. The forum has a function, but it is disabled because of potential problem of people abusing it. It can always reference to other sites with pictures.
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SL Lee

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 Re: To FM Liew
Author: FM Liew 
Date:   11-12-04 00:48

Yes...Yoon Ngan,
I'm aware of that. :o)

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 Re: Singapore newspapers state Chin Peng is Hakka
Author: FM Liew 
Date:   11-12-04 08:08

Quote:
The Westerners greed and lust for power have NOT changed. The US is a bigger bully now then ever before.
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Not only that.
US is responsible for the Killings of millions of innocent Cambodian by Khmer Rouge[ US operative ], and the atrocity act committed on the Millions of innocent Chinese in Indonesia.




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We will be lucky if we didn't experienced a similar "killing fields" the Chambodians had the misfortune of going thru under the communist Khmer Rouge.
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Did you conveniently connect Communisim to Khmer Rouge?

Pol Pot ordered the killing of millions of communist and suspects in Cambodia......it was the communist Hun Sen[ backed by Vietnam ] who put a stop to all the atrocities committed by Khmer Rouge[ US operative ]!!!!

Get your facts straighten...please don't get confused...Khmer Rouge is not communise...Pol Pot is just another Suharto of Indonesia.

And isn't it obvious that you know nothing...even after reading the excerpt.

[ Like what Dr.Mahathir said: It is more effective to colonise the mind, than the nation.]

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 Re: Singapore newspapers state Chin Peng is Hakka
Author: Sun 
Date:   11-12-04 11:58

FM Liew wrote:

“Did you conveniently connect Communism to Khmer Rouge? Pol Pot ordered the killing of millions of communist and suspects in Cambodia......”

I don’t know what is your obsession with KR, but here is my take.

Communists kill other communists for self-interest, just as any political group would, if they want to seize power. For example, Stalin killed most of his closest comrades; the Sino-Soviet ideological conflict; second Indo-China war; the China’s Cultural Revolution. There are more examples, but you get the idea.

Your argument that just because KR killed communists, then KR can’t be communist, is too simplistic a link. But you are right to state that “Pol Pot is just another Suharto” in that both prefer to impose a dictatorship regime instead of a more democratic model.

Lets look at the background of KR’s leaders. Saloth Sar (who later became Pol Pot) and Ieng Sary forms the communist resistance, CPK, in the 50’s with the support of Communist North Vietnam. Pol Pot and some of its leaders were educated in France and visited the Soviet Union and China, were substantially influenced by authoritarian communism. Their declared ideology was a strange mixture of elements of Stalinism and Maoism. Of course it would be a mistake to impute the actions of the group solely to these particular imported doctrines, especially when a careful analysis of the group reveals a number of more general elements. Among the more notable characteristics of the KR were autarchy, authoritarianism, brutality, secrecy, reliance on willpower, extreme communalism, obsession with purity and purging, anti-Vietnamese hysteria, and extreme nationalism.

Now, let me get back to the topic proper, Chin Peng as a Communist leader.

FM Liew wrote:
“Communism...its only an ideology, and it's meant to work for the people. We'll never know whether it fit Singapore or not, since it was never tested on Singapore or Malaysia in very beginning “

Communism is DEAD. History has proven time and again that Communism has FAILED to “work for the people". It will NOT have worked for Singapore and Malaysia period. I thank God that Chin Peng failed in his attempt to turn the region to Communism.

Chin Peng had the wisdom to realize that too when he sought peace through the Baling talks in 1955. He left Malaysia to stay in Beijing in 1960 until the surrender of the CPM in 1989.

He actually lived through the China’s Cultural Revolution that began in 1966. I wonder what he thought of Communism and the madness of the Red Guards then. How far was that to his ideals of a Communist state.

China is more Capitalist than Communist TODAY because their leaders, in particular Deng Xiao Peng, have the wisdom to realized that the MARKET is KING and that they MUST adapt and change if they want to remain in power.

FM Liew wrote:
“Does Singapore practise "free market"

Yes, and more than most other countries. A free-market world is the only way Singapore can survive.

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 Re: Singapore newspapers state Chin Peng is Hakka
Author: FM Liew 
Date:   11-12-04 13:32

Would you insist that SuHarto is a communist, or you have other excuses for him? He was afterall a General of SuKarno's Communist regime.

Don't get youself confused again...the excerpt is to tell you the connection between Pol Pot[KR] and USA, and the killing field was indeed Orchestrated by US/CIA .... and don't you ever conveniently put blame on the communist...they are as human as "you" and me.

Pol Pot Was Not and Is never A Communist :
http://www.plp.org/cd_sup/khmerrouge.html


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“Does Singapore practise "free market"

Yes, and more than most other countries. A free-market world is the only way Singapore can survive.

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Lol...yeah..over my dead body..:oD
It's a mixed economy...don't tell me you never take economic studies before?

No nation can afford a free maket economy...not even US of A[ Champion of "Free Trade" ]. Otherwise what do think the tariff are for?

The truth is, you are confused..and what is predicated in your rhetoric is to spin falsification into truth..

Communist ideology is alive and kicking..don't you know communist party can be found in UK, India, US and etc???

The modus operanti may evolved slightly; resonating with the time and space.

BTW, what form of communism are you talking here? Karl Marx's, Stalin's, Maoism, or..?

Ideology is only a knife...its fate depends solely on the user, and not the other way round.

The user's sentiment/decision depends on the environmental constraints/factors; such as the circumstances, people, geography and etc....

And you are....perhaps still engaging subconsciously in the 60s mentality....time to move forward.

Period.

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