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 Hakka ngin in Bangka Islands,Indonesia
Author: Bun Chai Tet 
Date:   10-27-05 03:01

Hallo,
My name is Bun Chai Tet.
I was born in Bangka Island, Indonesia. It is tin mining island in South China Sea. There are about 330.000 Chinese Hakka inhabitans, and make 33 % population in this new province in Indonesia.
My grand father told me that about 200-300 years ago, many Hakkas came here for tin mining.
Is very intersesting for me to know others Hakka in other part of world.
Do you know more about history of migration Hakka people in this islands ?

Sin mung

Bun Chai Tet

Bun Chai Tet

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 Re: Hakka ngin in Bangka Islands,Indonesia
Author: Zou Lin Cai 
Date:   10-27-05 03:54

Mr. Bun Chai Tet,

Happy to know you from Bangka Island, Im also from Bangka island, Pin Kong, many Hakka from Malaysia and Kalimantan to Bangka Island.

want to know more about Hakka, just go to:
http://www.asiawind.com/hakka/history.htm
Zou Lin Cai

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 Re: Hakka ngin in Bangka Islands,Indonesia
Author: Bun Chai Tet 
Date:   10-27-05 19:55

Dear Mr.Zou Lin Cai

Nyong pen ? Ngali hee Liat Kong.
I'm very happy to know you from Bangka, too.
When you came home to see Bangka again ?
Now many part Bangka area was damaged by local tin mining. It is very terrible. Many interesting beach was damaged by tin mining.

Now I have working as Food technologist in Tangerang.

Happy good day!

Bun Chai Tet

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 Re: Hakka ngin in Bangka Islands,Indonesia
Author: Pang Git Lung 
Date:   10-31-05 04:46

Dear Mr. Bun Chai Tet

Ngi ho?

Hello, nice too meet another Indonesian Hakka! I'm also an Indonesian Hakka. But i'm from West Kalimantan.

Some differences in our Hakka vocabularies and pronunciation are very interesting.

Btw, whats the Liat Kong mean? I understand the "ngiong ben? nga li he" part thought. Although in my Hakka we say it "NGIONG BAN" instad of "ben".

Note: although the "ban" written as "b" its pronounce as Indonesian "p" though.

My Hakka variet

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 Re: Hakka ngin in Bangka Islands,Indonesia
Author: Bun Chai Tet 
Date:   10-31-05 22:39

Dear Pang Git Lung,
Nice to hear from you too. There are just a little difference Bangka Hakka's pronounciation from West Borneo dialect.
Ok, about Liat Kong. Is's Hakka name's for Sungailiat town, a capital for Bangka District .
Hakka people always say Pin Kong for Pangkal Pinang, the capital of Bangka Biliton province. And we call Bli Jong for Belinyu a small town in Northwest Bangka Island, and Nam Phong for Jebus, a small town in North Bangka Island.
May be is the same case with Khun Thien for Pontianak, and San Khew Jong for Singkawang.

Ok, have a good day.

Regards,
Bun Chai Tet

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 Re: Hakka ngin in Bangka Islands,Indonesia
Author: Chen Edward 
Date:   11-01-05 04:40

Dear Bun Chai Tet,
I am glad to hear that there are so many Hakka in Bangka islands. The people of this forum will be very glad if you can explain us where is Bangka island.
Best regards.
Edward Chen

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 Re: Hakka ngin in Bangka Islands,Indonesia
Author: Pang Git Lung 
Date:   11-02-05 02:32

Ah, I see, its a place name in Hakka version. Yes, we also have them in West Kalimantan, and other place name too.

Like Kun1 Dien5 (Khun Tien)=Pontianak
San1 Keu3 Jong2 (San Kheu Jong)=Singkawang
Ba1 Shang2 (pa shang) or Jai2 Shang2=Jakarta
Si5 Shui3=Surabaya
Sam1 Bo3 Liung1 (sam po liung)=Semarang
etc

I also have a friend from Bangka (although he is a Hokkien, but he lives with Hakkas since he still a child). I often heard Blinyu, Bin Gong (Pin Kong) word from him. So the Gong (Kong) is a river I see.

The interesting thing is while almost all online dictionary wrote this Gong in 1st tone (JIANG1 in Mandarin), my Hakka say this Gong in 3rd tone like Gong3=speak. How about Bangka? Or maybe another Hakka dialect variety?

My Hakka variet

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 Re: Hakka ngin in Bangka Islands,Indonesia
Author: Pang Git Lung 
Date:   11-04-05 00:10

According Mr. Chow Halim who just have sent me an email, he explains that the "gong" here in Bin Gong means sea port. Now that makes sense, I'm sorry for my previous mistake which I thought is a river. Gong3 Keu3 also means sea port in my Hakka too.

But still, my Hakka really pronounce "river" = gong in 3rd tone, that's true.

Mr. Chow wrote in his mail that Bangka have Hakka Moi Yan, Hakka Yun Ding, Hakka Tai Pu, Hakka Ho Po also Hakka Peranakan. Well, this is very interesting. Even now I still cannot indentify which variety my Hakka is. Maybe Mr. Chow here can help me? My West Kalimantan, Pontianak Hakka, which Hakka variety is it? This question has been bothering me since a long time ago. My father often say that we are from Ho Po province in China, does that makes us a Ho Po variety? Too bad I haven't met any Ho Po native speaker from China or hear the actual language played in tape or TV, so I couldn't compare my Hakka with it.

Also, I never found any Hakka songs in the net that really sung in my Hakka. They're all sung in different variety, which is still really good btw. It would be great if I could hear a song sung with my Hakka by an artist who spoke with it too.

My Hakka variet

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 Re: Hakka ngin in Bangka Islands,Indonesia
Author: Bun Chai Tet 
Date:   11-08-05 20:04

Dear Mr.Chhen Edward,

I will try explain a little about Bangka. This islands is lie east of Sumatra Islands (Indonesia), north East of South Sumatra. The Bangka strait separates Sumatera and Bangka, and Gaspar strait separates Bangka and Biliton islands.
The South China Sea is to the north, the Java Sea is to the south, and Borneo to the east is separated from Beliton by Karimata strait. This islands lie south of Malaya peninsular. It is south of Singapore.

For many hundred years, this island export tin and known as White Banka Tin. This islands export white pepper too, and known as Muntok white pepper.

There many Hakka Vilages around Bangka, and still have Hakka name's ie,
Cung Fo, Kim Hin, Fat Hin, Po Hin, Tung Hin, Choi Hin, Kin Hin, Sung Hin, etc.
Today all Hakka in Bangka still practicing their Hakka culture and cemony.

Regards,
Bun Chai Tet

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 Re: Hakka ngin in Bangka Islands,Indonesia
Author: ck 
Date:   11-23-05 18:22

Quoted from answers.com:

Bangka Island
Bangka Island is an island lying east of Sumatra, part of Indonesia. Population (1990) 626,955). Area: c.4,600 sq mi (11,910 km²).


Geography
Bangka lies just east of Sumatra, separated by the Bangka Strait; to the north lies the South China Sea, to the east, across the Gaspar Strait, is the island of Belitung, and to the south is the Java Sea.

Pangkalpinang is the largest town and the capital of Bangka-Belitung, the city called LetKong was the second large city in Bangka island.There's one village called kampung Kim Hin lies in south of LetKong, this village Known for some kind of water called Arak,produces from decomposite rice. province; Muntok is the principal port.


Economy
Since c. 1710, Bangka has been one of the world's principal tin-producing centers. Tin production is an Indonesian government monopoly, and there is a smelter at Muntok. Pepper is also produced on the island.


Demographics
The majority of the inhabitants are Chinese, who are mostly employed as mine laborers.


History
Bangka was ceded to Britain by the sultan of Palembang in 1812, but in 1814 it was exchanged with the Dutch for Cochin in India. The island was occupied by the Japanese from 1942 to 1945. It became part of independent Indonesia in 1949. The island, together with neighboring Belitung, was formerly part of South Sumatra (Sumatera Selatan) province, but in 2000 the two islands became the new province of Bangka-Belitung.

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 Re: Hakka ngin in Bangka Islands,Indonesia
Author: ck 
Date:   11-23-05 18:51

Quoted from http://www.indahnesia.com/indonesia.php?page=KABINT:

Chinese in West-Kalimantan

The province of West Kalimantan has one of the highest concentrations of Chinese people in Indonesia. The estimated half a milion Chinese-Indonesians form more than 10 per cent of the population, descendants from marriages between Chinese and Dayak counted in.
From 1720 the Chinese came to the archipelago in big numbers to work in the tin mines on the island of Bangka. Inspired by this, the Malay ruler of Sambas asked Chinese people to take a job in the goldmines. Migration started on a small scale in 1750, but got larger around 1790. The envitation was everything accept a deed of humanity. Chinese were prohibited from trading and doing agriculture, so they were forced to buy everything against high prices from the sultan. As soon as they were strong enough, the Chinese got rid of all demands, and they formed unities (kongsi), based on the clans they had in China. Betwen 1790 and 1820, in the good times of gold mining, the kongsi flourished. In 1810 the Chinese community already counted 40,000 people.
Most Chinese settled around the neighboring goldfields of Mandor and Montrado, between Pontianak and Sambas. The kongsi formed two federations; the one controlled the fields of Mandor, the other the fields of Montrado. Both had a specific task-devision: farmers grew rice and other food for the miners, while other groups took care of the construction of canals. These were used for bringing water to the sluices in which the clay was washed. The fields in Western Kalimantan were rich and the gold was very pure (18 to 21 carat), but the success of the gold mining was mainly due to hard labour and a good usefull exploitation of water.
When the revenues dropped, violence and arguments broke out in the Chinese community. Big fights between the federations separated and devided the Chinese, and faced with a strong Dutch army, Mandor soon capitulated. The Montrado-Chinese were able to defend themselves because of their unity. They kept on trading through Singkawang. The big revolt in Jawa (1825-1830), forced the Dutch to retreat from Borneo. Borneo and the Chinese were left alone until the empire of raja Brooke in Sarawak drew attention.
Renewed Dutch force lead to a governmental reorganisation of Western Borneo and a big military expedition, which broke Chinese stronghold in Montrado. The arguing kongsi were dissolved, but by that time the big gold mining activities were already finished. Most Chinese could not afford a return to China, so they settled in Western Borneo.

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 Re: Hakka ngin in Bangka Islands,Indonesia
Author: ck 
Date:   11-23-05 18:53

Quoted from http://www.furl.net:

GOLDDIGGERS, FARMERS, AND TRADERS IN THE 'CHINESE DISTRICTS' OF WEST KALIMANTAN, INDONESIA
Pacific Affairs, Spring 2004 by Coppel, Charles A

GOLDDIGGERS, FARMERS, AND TRADERS IN THE 'CHINESE DISTRICTS' OF WEST KALIMANTAN, INDONESIA. By Mary Somers Heidhues. Ithaca (New York): Southeast Asia Program Publications, Cornell University. 2003. 316pp. (Maps, B&W photographs, graphs, tables.) US$18.00, paper. ISBN 0-87727-733-8.

Most studies of the ethnic Chinese in Indonesia have either been at the level of national politics or are Javacentric. Mary Somers Heidhues' effort is an honourable exception. Following in the footsteps of her earlier work on Bangka, Bangka Tin and Mentok Pepper: Chinese Settlement on an Indonesian Island (Malaysia: Institute of Southeast Asian Studies, 1992), this excellent history of the Chinese of West Kalimantan is a welcome addition to the literature. This is an important community. Its population of more than 3500 ,0 000 is outnumbered only by the Chinese ofjakarta, and the only province with a higher percentage of Chinese is the newly created province of Bangka-Belitung. These figures are taken from estimates based on the 2000 census (unavailable when Heidhues' book went to press) supplied in Leo Suryadinata, Evi Nurvidya Arifm, and Aris Ananta's Indonesia's Population: Ethnicity and Religion in a Changing Political Landscape (Singapore: Institute of Southeast Asian Studies, 2003). The community is also a distinctive one, mostly comprising small traders, shop owners, farmers and fishermen, many of them poor. It is a far cry from the stereotype of the successful overseas Chinese capitalist. The Chinese community in West Kalimantan has roots that go back to the eighteenth century but, unlike the long-settled Chinese of Java, its members have retained a Chinese language (Hakka or Teochiu) as their mother tongue. The Chinese of West Kalimantan also have a distinctive history that spans more than two and a half centuries. This is the first attempt to tell it.

The book has three big themes. The first is the history of Chinese settlement, most of which took place independently of colonial rule and Western economic enterprise, and the various attempts to suppress and control the Chinese immigrants by the indigenous and colonial states, among them the Malay rulers of Sambas and Mempawah, the Dutch colonial government, the Japanese occupying forces during World War II, and the postcolonial Indonesian state. Although much has previously been written about the selfgoverning kongsis of the gold mining communities in the 'Chinese Districts' north of what is now the provincial capital Pontianak in the nineteenth century, Heidhues' study is outstanding in putting this information into a wider social and historical setting. The second theme is die history of Chinese community organizations and how these helped the immigrant to confront threats from outside. The author not only describes the kongsis (which turn out to be more diverse than is commonly assumed) but also the various voluntary associations (political, social, economic and cultural) which proliferated after the abolition of the last of the kongsis in 1884. These associations were dissolved or suppressed during the Suharto New Order, but have begun to revive since 1998. The third theme is the history of the economic activity of Chinese farmers and traders, including their introduction of new crops and their export trade (whether legitimate or smuggling) oriented to Singapore, Sarawak and China rather than to Java, the centre of political authority during the colonial era and since Indonesian independence. Throughout the book Heidhues is alert to the nature of relations between the Chinese (especially the Hakkas) and other communities (Malays, Dayaks, Javanese and Madurese). In an epilogue, she refers briefly to the anti-Madurese violence of 1997, setting it against the history of the Dayak uprising during the Japanese occupation and the 'Dayak Raids' against the Chinese in 1967, which are discussed in more detail in the body of the book. This is a readable and scholarly volume, grounded in long and careful research in the Dutch archives, as well as published materials in Dutch and Indonesian, and informed by repeated visits to West Kalimantan over a period of almost four decades.

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 Re: Hakka ngin in Bangka Islands,Indonesia
Author: Paska Ariandy Iswanto 
Date:   07-05-06 05:12

hi guys, nice to c u all.
Let's me introduce my self, my name is Paska Ariandy Iswanto, (Chinese Name : Ng Fen Tian). I was born and raised in Bangka Island. I am of Hakka descendants. Now i'm studying at University of Indonesia majoring geography. My hometown is Pangkalpinang at Pangkalbalam (Con Jau). My father is hakka peranakan n my mother is partialy Peranakan - GuangZhou Chinese.
I'm very interesting in tis forum coz i can't speak Hakka although i spent much of my childhood in Bangka Island. In home, i usually speak Bangkanese Malay. I only know a little vocabulary of Hakka word n know a few some basic expression.
I hope that anybody who read this thread may help me to learn Hakka language, coz i like to preserve my cultural identity as an Indonesian Chinese.
I welcome everybody who want to email me at paska_indonesia@yahoo.com

Paska

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 Re: Hakka ngin in Bangka Islands,Indonesia
Author: Thomas Chin 
Date:   07-08-06 12:11

Does anyone know the Chinese characters for Banka and also for Biliton (if they exist)?

Many thanks,

Thomas

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 Re: Hakka ngin in Bangka Islands,Indonesia
Author: Zou Han Ming 
Date:   08-13-06 10:32

I am a Kaying Hakka from Ipoh, Perak, Malaysia. Maybe Lin Cai is my"Chu-lai" (same surname). I have been a Geography and English teacher in Malaysia trained in the British tradition (now retired) but later had to teach in Bahasa Malaysia when the medium of instruction changed to BM. When I went to The University of Malalya later I majored in Business Administration but have always been a geography teacher at heart.

I have always been fascinated by the fact that the successful tin miners in Malaysia have all been Hakkas. All the other Chinese (Fujian, Fuzhou, Cantonese or hainanese) failed miserably losing their shirts off their backs in this business. These guys are just ordinary businessmen — they "mm ngai tet" (cannot stand hardship and hard physical work). That is why I am proud to be a Hakka (or Khek lang - Hokkien). Whenever I say I am a Kaying Hakka the other Chinese would say we are the type of people who can still jump about even if we are skinned. This may be due to the fact that we have always been disciminated by the other Chinese in China and have been very hard-working in tilling the less fertile unwanted land in China. Also we were always oppressed by the Chings and other people and have stood for our rights against the mighty Qing army. In Malaysia and Indonesia doing these menial jobs was easy compared to the suffering we endured in our "Motherland". No wonder many of them became communists or communist sympathisers. Many of the famous people who looked after the rights of the Chinese in the then Malaya were Hakkas.

I have always taught my students that Bangka and Billiton are tin-producing areas but never knew the real history was carved out by the hard-working Hakkas. Of course mining has been a wasting-asset kind of activity which will spoilt the environment— the beautiful beaches and landscape but what to do ? We were simple peasants trying to make a better life in the early days.

Cheaw Hon Ming

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 Re: Hakka ngin in Bangka Islands,Indonesia
Author: Chang Khian Nen 
Date:   09-12-06 02:02

Hi All,

My name is Chang Khian Nen.
I was born in Sungailiat (Liat Kong), Bangka. I was raised in Fat Hin, a Hakka village in Sungailiat. I am 10th generation Hakka from Guangdong.

Regards,

Chang Khian Nen

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 Re: Hakka ngin in Bangka Islands,Indonesia
Author: Norma Lie 
Date:   09-13-06 16:12

Hello!
Long time ago I had a pen friend in Indonesia. He was living in Sukabumi and the last time I heard from him, he had gotten married. He is Hakka and his name is Chen Khin Njan. He must be around 54. Does anyone happen to know him?

I'd appreciate it very much to get in touch with an old friend again!
Best wishes!!

Norma Lie

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 Re: Hakka ngin in Bangka Islands,Indonesia
Author: Lily Chia 
Date:   09-30-06 14:46

Hi, I think I know a bit about Bangka Island Hakka. For some reason, their Hakka language have different intonation, not sure why and how. My father is born in Liat Kong...(lol). My Mom from S'pore but both of them are studied in S'pore and then UK.

In Biliton or Belinyu, some of the words have change a bit from original Hakka, again not sure why and how like that.

I notice, Hakka from Pontianak also called Khun tien have same intonation like Belinyu and Biliton Hakka.Maybe they came from same area?.

I know a lot of Hakka came to Bangka Island to work in mining but also I notice Hakka in Kalimantan doing pottery and ceramic things. So far, there is not much explanation or rersearch about it.

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 Re: Hakka ngin in Bangka Islands,Indonesia
Author: kopin 
Date:   10-02-06 21:41

Hi,

My name is Ke Ping (in hakka). I was born and educated in Taiwan. Both my father and mother are hakka people. I can speak English as well as Mandarin and Hakka.

There are not so many Hakka people living in Taiwan ( less than 10% I think). Hakka is a minority in Taiwan. It's really amusing that we can see so many Hakka people in SE Asia (Thailand,Malaysia, S'pore, Indonesia, from North to South).

I'm interesting in knowing the past history of the migration for those Hakka people in SE Asia. It's better if I can see some old photo and talk with some local old people....Maybe I can start from Bangka Island first.

You may ask me why Bangka Island first? Since I'm a diver. In the past two years, I have been to SE Asia for many times just for the diving. In Indonesia, I've been to Bali, Gili Meno, Lombok and Rica/LBJ (Komodo region). And I know clearly that the Manado/Lembeh Strait and the Bunaken could provide the best dive sites in Indonesia. And Bangka Island is JUST in the same area ( North Sulawesi).

Definitely I will visit Manado before the end of next year.....I hope I can visit Bangka at the same trip. Before that, I hope I can make some friends here.....

My MSN is kopin.chang@msa.hinet.net

I'm male and 33 years old.

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 Babel Bangka Islands,Indonesia is not around Manado North Sulawesi
Author: Indonesifrey 
Date:   10-11-06 19:33

I've today bowed out off World Forum (have just acquired myself amusing new gadget & sphere and will devote myself to those), but on my way letting myself out, I came upon this very interesting Topic on Indonesian Babel and having read on how you've placed Babel province (Bangka Belitung) AT Sulut province (Sulawesi Utara, North Sulawesi), I've decided to stop for a sec as I couldn't resist not to write you and let you know that there is this Third Largest Island of the World called Kalimantan standing between your diving destination of North Sulawesi/Menado area and Babel in more or less of Indonesian Midwest.

It would be a really torturous long dive from Menado to Bangka, even if you are not to encounter one of those Coelacanths (pronounced 'see-la-kanth', in Indonesian it sounds like (translated) 'please come in'/'please help yourself'), the ancient (thought to be extinct) fish.

(The Largest Island in the World is Greenland (Denmark). 2nd Largest is Nugini (Indonesian West Papua and Papua Nugini). 3rd Largest is Kalimantan (Indonesian Kalimantan, Malaysian Sabah and Sarawak, Brunei))

Good luck with your diving.

Fdback'llbrejec

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 Re: Hakka ngin in Bangka Islands,Indonesia
Author: fon prawira TJONG 
Date:   10-15-06 23:15

Dear Brothers,
I am very proud to know that you are the Hakka's family who resides at Bangka Island. First the reason is my mother also was born at Banka Island a daughter of dr.LIM in periode of ealry 19ths.

Any way what I would like you to know that in the periode of 1880-1921 my grandfather as a HAKKA'S has been appointed by the dutch tobecome a Chinese Leader in North Sumatra,MEDAN. and finaly he had rhe highest rank of MAYOR for the chinese community in MEDAN.
Well in case you my visit the web.under TJONG A FIE you will see the rest of my story.
Good Luck and see you in MEDAN one day.and I personaly want to visit my mother homeland Bangka soon if I had the chance.

fpt

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 Re: Hakka ngin in Bangka Islands,Indonesia
Author: Lily Chia 
Date:   10-16-06 19:27

I ever heard of Tjong A Fie and probably Dr.Lim story. I probably need to ask my parents, they know much better about the story.
Did you pointed out your website. I would like to look at it.

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 Re: Babel Bangka Islands,Indonesia is not around Manado North Sulawesi
Author: kopin 
Date:   10-16-06 23:26

Sorry for the mistake I made. It's a pity to me that the Bangka is not near Manado since I may visit Bangka during my dive trip next time.

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 Re: Hakka ngin in Bangka Islands,Indonesia
Author: Ng Kim Chian 
Date:   10-20-06 05:58

Dear all,

I'm Ng Kim Chian, also from Bangka Island. I'm very interested to learn more about the history of Chinese people in Bangka Island.

I heard There's one book about it. "Bangka Tin and Mentok Pepper : Chinese Settlement on an Indonesian Island" by Mary F Somers Heidhues. I really need help to find the book.

Thanks.

Best Regards,

Ng Kim Chian

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 Re: Babel Bangka Islands,Indonesia is not around Manado North Sulawesi
Author: Indonesifrey 
Date:   10-20-06 09:11

you could always fly. From Taiwan - Indonesia perspective, Manado - Bangka distance is of course just a tiny fraction of your journey.

Fdback'llbrejec

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 Re: Hakka ngin in Bangka Islands,Indonesia
Author: Bun Chai Tet 
Date:   10-31-06 01:23

Dear all my brother,
Fon, Lily Chia, Ng Kim Chian, Kopin, Paska Ariandy, Chang Kian Nen

Nice to hearing from you. Good luck for all.

I was born at Hakka Chinese village Peranakan at Liong Pak Eng Se
( Kampung Kudai) at Liat Kong (Sungailiat).
My grandfather is Bun Kin Loi, and he has small brick factory, and known as Loi Cek before he was died.

After finishing my study, majoring in Food Technology at Bogor Agricultural University (Bogor, West Java)at 1992, I stayed and working at Tangerang, but my father and my mother still lived at Liat Kong.

Belinyu (Blijong) is about 56 km in the north Liat Kong. I think some Hakkas Blijong still practicing speak and have native dialect' Hakka.

For diving there are some beautiful beach i.e. Tanjung Pesona beach and Parai Tenggiri beach around 5 km from Liat Kong (Sungailiat). There are some hotel too.

To my brother, Fon Prawira it is worderful hearing from you that you are grandchild Mr. Tjhong A Fie. I have heard and read the story about the great man from Medan before.
Last year , I have visited Medan and have a good diner at food street just only about 200 meters from the old house Tjong A Fie.

I still remember that there are two lion sculpture in front of the house.
I hope you can visit your mother homeland soon.

See you again.
Good luck for everyone.

Bun Chai Tet

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 Re: Hakka ngin in Bangka Islands,Indonesia
Author: Zou Lin Cai 
Date:   03-13-07 09:03

Dear all Bangka brother,

New website for Bangka Island, visit http://www.infobangka.com , nice to know you all.

your sincerely

Zou Lin Cai

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 Re: Hakka ngin in Bangka Islands,Indonesia
Author: Zou Lin Cai 
Date:   03-13-07 09:26

Dear Thomas Chin,

Bangka in Chinese is 邦加
Belitung in Chinese is 勿里洞
Belinyu in Chinese is 勿里洋
Sungailiat in Chinese is 烈港
Mentok in Chinese is 文岛
Jebus in Chinese is 楠榜
Toboali in Chinese is 沙横
Koba in Chinese is 高木
Pangkalpinang in Chinese is 槟港


Your sincerely

邹霖财

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 Re: Hakka ngin in Bangka Islands,Indonesia
Author: richard chung 
Date:   03-14-07 11:41

not really...but if you want to know a bit about others hakka in my country i can tell you some..i live in malaysia the state of Sabah...malaysian borneo. i think this is the only state in malaysia which hakka chinese is the majority among other chinese. hakka language is widely spoken too.(among chinese). so, if you are too learn this language, this is a good place to try.

hakka@kk

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 Re: Hakka ngin in Bangka Islands,Indonesia
Author: Joseph Tan 
Date:   04-03-09 20:33

This is amazing. I didn't realize that there are so many Bangka Hakka in the world until I started researching my roots.

I too am a Hakka from Pangkal Pinang, Bangka. I have truly learned a lot about my heritage since I started researching my origins. I should really thank Bun Chai Tet, a member of the forum, who obviously is an expert on anything Bangka and I owe him a debt of gratitude for his enlightening me on so many things about the people on the island of Bangka.

My only wish is that we keep this discussion forum alive for years to come, and any contribution from any one - Hakka or non-Hakka - should be welcome.

I left Bangka when I was a toddler, having returned only once when I was a few years old. After having spent a few years in Jakarta, I left Indonesia and ultimately, my family settled in the United States. Yet in all these years, I have not forgotten that I have my roots on Bangka and I hope to be able to visit the island again in the not too distant a future. It is truly poignantly sweet to read all the discussions in this forum. Please keep up the good work.

Joe

Joseph Tan

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 Re: Hakka ngin in Bangka Islands,Indonesia
Author: Lily Chia 
Date:   04-08-09 02:16

It was quite while since this topic popped up in this forum. I just wondering are there some of Hakka Bangka ever going back to the Island. I heard the island had so much changes since last time. My sister going back there 3 years ago with my parents and they said a lot of changes in there.

We still have some relatives buried in there and every year on Cengbeng, some of relatives went to cemetery to pray and clean the graves. My Dad is old now, he is in his 90s, he always said this is my last time going back and see the old graves.

A lot of Hakkas in Pangkal Pinang, Sungai Liat and Belinyu moved and lives in
Jakarta with their children. Lots of big houses are empty. We still have old big house in Belinyu but I think all the old antiques ceramics and furnitures are gone.

I love to get in touch with some of Hakka Bangka specially who lives in USA. I am in Sacramento, CA. My mom is Singaporean. I can speak Hakka and Bangka Hakka fluently......rofl.

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 Re: Hakka ngin in Bangka Islands,Indonesia
Author: Joseph Tan 
Date:   04-08-09 07:19

Hi Lily,

There are now, as far as I can tell, two Bangka Island Hakkas from the United States - you and I. I am sure that there are many others, and if there are more, perhaps we can form an organization of Bangka Island Hakka in the US.

I too have been entertaining the idea of returning to the island for a visit. I probably will make a pilgrimage next year or late this year. Perhaps if there are other Bangka Island Hakkas in the United States who are also thinking of returning to the island, we can make a group tour. I think that would be splendid.

I have most recently begun to research my roots and was most pleasantly surprised to discover how profound and colorful the cultures of the Hakka people are. I have traced my roots all the way to Jiaoling and Meizhou in Guangzhou, China, and I am beginning to understand why my forebears left China for Indonesia.

While growing up, I'd never given a thought to being a Hakka, now I am immensely proud that I am one.

Regards,

Joseph Tan

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 Re: Hakka ngin in Bangka Islands,Indonesia
Author: Lily Chia 
Date:   04-08-09 22:54

Where you at in US?. You can e mail me. I know a bit story of families in Bangka Island because my grandparents lived in there for quite awhile. My Grand Pa open a grocery store in Pangkal Pinang and it was closed down when he passed away. Last time I was in Pangkal Pinang probably in 1980s. Long time , since then never have a chance to going back.

If you like beach, their beach is very nice, with white sands, but some beaches were ruined and dirty. A lot of new hotel built in Bangka Island now. Some tourist came by and enjoy the seafood, beaches and nice panoramic in there.

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 Re: Hakka ngin in Bangka Islands,Indonesia
Author: Zou Lin Cai 
Date:   04-10-09 01:23

Dear all,

I'm Hakka from Pangkalpinang, Bangka Island, I work for a travel company in Pangkalpinang, happy to know many of Hakka in US too.

For many Bangkanese aboard , happy to tell you , we just launce Bangka Belitung web site at

http://www.visitbabelarchi.com

. alot of photo and Video in side, hopefully can refresh your memory.

If you wan't come to Bangka Belitung Island ,just contact me at :

DBS tour
Phone : 62-717-424335.
Fax : 62-717-424265.
email : dbstour@yahoo.com


Regards


Zou Lin Cai

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 Re: Hakka ngin in Bangka Islands,Indonesia
Author: Zou Lin Cai 
Date:   04-10-09 01:30

Sorry just find your thread asking Bangka and Belitung iN Chinese.
BANGKA ISLAND 邦 加 岛 . BELITUNG ISLAND 勿 里 洞 岛 .

Regards

邹 霖 财

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 Re: Hakka ngin in Bangka Islands,Indonesia
Author: Joseph Tan 
Date:   09-22-09 19:59

Is there anyone from Tanjung Karang, Sumatra? I am trying to locate a school that my dad used to teach in half a decade ago. Please email and thanks.

Joseph Tan

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 Re: Hakka ngin in Bangka Islands,Indonesia
Author: Zou Lin Cai 
Date:   10-01-09 23:09

Dear Yoseph Tan,

Im in Bangka Island, Tanjung Karang at Sumtra Island, just send me more about your father to me, Chinese name , the photo of school etc, will transfer to my frends in Tanjung Karang.

Your sincerely

Zou lin cai

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 Re: Hakka ngin in Bangka Islands,Indonesia
Author: hingt 
Date:   12-26-09 12:02

Happy New Year Everyone

There are some documentaries online about Hakka in Indonesia and Bangka Island. These documentaries are mostly in Hakka, except for the third one which is about Hakka people that suffered during the 60s emergency, and is in Mandarin mostly.

http://www.tudou.com/programs/view/d5iTxd_HOlE/

http://www.tudou.com/programs/view/DhoD7ZR3PWQ/

http://www.tudou.com/programs/view/FNfT4vqC7tw/bqzsq1o/

Enjoy!

ht

hingt

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